Originally Posted by Mal
HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.
The pursuit of knowledge can be simplified to this: That which can be proven false, cannot be true.
If you want to have a "real discussion," you must understand that discussion in the pursuit of knowledge is the only real discussion possible. Beliefs and opinions have no place in such discussion, only facts. Striving to disprove something, as Numinous has, results in exactly what you say you wanted: a real discussion.
You have your discussion, now discuss. No excuses, no whining, no opinions, just facts.
I don't like to disprove anything because once it has been done, then I am at the point where I know nothing of the subject, whereas before I knew of a possibility on the matter. My knowledge has decreased as opposed to the reverse.
The more possibilities I am acknowledging, the greater the likelihood that the truth is among them. After all, even something that has been "disproven" can end up being the truth once more information has been revealed.