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Old 12-20-2011, 12:39 PM   #78
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Re: Us government's trick to violate civil liberties

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Originally Posted by Miburo View Post
That's not what you implied before, and definitely not literally. But whatever. You're saying now that it's better to be uncertain than to be absolutely certain to be wrong. Which I would agree with, no one is advocating the elimination of viable conclusions after all. But if you're saying we're always eliminating the correct answer or the truth then that would kind of contradict your whole "If you say someone is wrong then you're an unwise fool" thing. So what is it? Are we statistically more likely to be right than you, or are you saying we always eliminate the correct answer and are certain to be wrong?
I'm saying that I have seen the correct answer eliminated often enough that I no longer eliminate. Sometimes it's been on my part, sometimes it's been on others. EVERYONE's deductions are suspect. Logic isn't universal or everyone would always arrive at the same conclusion when presented with the same scenario Either way I'd rather be certain of a shot at the truth, than maybe not have one at all.

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Either way, we either operate more intelligently than you do or you're guilty of what you're claiming we do and are unwise by your own irrational reasoning. Good job.
It's more like we have different goals, and because of this pursue things differently.
You're pursuing understanding.
I am pursuing knowledge. I don't particularly care if I never come to fully understand something as long as I am learning something about it.



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See, that's stupid. You assume stupid shit about us. Even after I told you that we aren't stating anything as absolute unyielding truth. We're challenging your stupid opinion on the basis that it is illogical in the context of what is currently known. You misunderstand and then whine like a retard using your mediocre grasp of something taught in introductory philosophy classes.
It's not a mediocre grasp, it's something that has been hammered home in me after years of constantly changing my venues and experiences. I assume nothing about people. I merely stand my ground on the few things I do know. An opinion is an uncertain statement. It entails the phrase I think or the like.
Because an opinion by the very virtue of it's nature is uncertain, it is the one thing that can be proclaimed with certainty.
In order to prove an uncertain statement wrong, you MUST produce absolute truth. The only way you can eliminate all other possibilities is with overwhelming evidence that what you are stating is the complete one and only true answer to whatever the issue is.

So again it's not a matter of me assuming stupid shit about you, it's about not realizing what you are arguing against.

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And of course you can't say that applies to everyone in this thread. With the exception of HR, no one else is being an idiot in here.
As I stated earlier, everyone's an idiot.
If the worst kind of moron is the one who doesn't know he's one, then anyone that hasn't called themselves stupid at some point in this thread falls under that statement.

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