Originally Posted by ACt
^ Yeah, nothing like trying to tell the (usually) oldest guy here to grow up and see the world how it truly is.
I'm going to go with Mal successfully getting the guy to argue in a complete circle. Have to think it was one of the easiest rhetoric conversations Mal's ever had. Give him enough rope...
Axiom - yeah, glad you stuck around, honestly. Just call it our personal philosophy that if you cannot back up what you believe, the only true recourse is to submit in the debate. Simple rules - you cannot argue a position you have no support for and if you best brain acrobatics do not convince without facts, you should concede.
Believe me, there probably isn't one person here who hasn't lost one of these. I'm pretty certain Miburo and Mal have done one over me and I know I've had my shit wrecked two or three times by Vanity - those are awesome, she really goes for the throat in like one paragraph. It's hot. So, whatever. I didn't quit because I can take a loss and admit to being wrong.
I fully enjoy this forum for that. Yeah, it's a bit cutthroat and maybe unkind in that way, but so much good can come from having everything challenged agressively - either abandon a faulty premise or push yourself to gain knowledge to support it. That's the definition of the search for knowledge and truth. Shame that AW couldn't realize that we were truly helping him.
I would have to whole heartedly agree.. I'm not good at debating and pretty much everyone here has handed me my ass on a silver platter but it's the quality of the intellect here and the way everyone is cutthroat on these debates that has kept me here.. I see people bitch n whine about going to other forums.. I've been there and the level of discussion is far from up to par.
Sure you could go somewhere where people are gonna pat you on the back n say "it'll be ok but there's something to be said of having a challenge.. even if you loose over and over again you learn from what has transpired and sooner or later you get one in.