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Old 02-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #10370
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Re: VS Thread [With Manga Spoilers!]

Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023 View Post
Forest of Death, Sasuke pussed out, I'd think Oro would like a word with you, actually I'd say Sasuke gave him one of the worse asswhuppings he took to date until he put the CS on Sasuke.
General note: you don't defend your point well at all when you deny what happened in the fucking manga. Sasuke was scared shitless of Oro and refused to fight at all until Naruto stood up to Oro, got fucking owned, and Sakura called Sasuke out on being a puss. That's when Sasuke got over himself, had his little inner monologue about how he could never manage to get his revenge if he was too scared to risk his life and fight Oro.

Then on to Gaara, the thing people just throw to the side is that Sasuke was in pain when he wasn't 'sync'd' after using the power of the CS, additionally jutsu's and stuff aren't availlable to novices under the power of the CS, thats specifically why Oro gave it to the people he did, because they HAD to seek him out. This was obviously the truth when Kakashi was attempting his 'Medicine Man' Sealing Tech when Oro slid in on Sasuke and Kakashi as he was attempting his brand of voodoo magic, whiich was far beneath Orochimaru's CS abilities. But what did the Konoha people say.... forget about the CS, use abilites without the use of that, to a genin whom is still learning about chakra control and its abilities, yeah that makes as much sense as 'fight without your legs, you can win'. Sure if his name was Naruto. We're gonna jump for joy because Naruto was trained in summoning prior to Sasuke? Who cares, a Summons was required to defeat Gaara in that Arc, and obviously nobody trained Sasuke in that up to that point, big whuup, when I read the manga, after the Gaara stuff, I got the feeling that Sasuke felt he couldn't rely on his own strength, and the Konoha was simply didn't work for his goals of getting Itachi.
Goddamn you're missing the point hard. You're so obsessed with defending Sasuke that you can't see that the argument is not "IS NARUTO BETTAR THAN SASKUE THAN!?" The point is that Naruto's ability to defeat Gaara where Sasuke had failed, regardless of reason, dealt a massive blow to Sasuke's pride. Which it did.

When Itachi show'd up it matters not that Itachi and Kisame were more interested in Naruto, they'res one thing that Sasuke bashers just step past, Dude saw his Mother and Father slayed by his Brother in front of his face. Nobody forgets that, and that drove Sasuke to where he is today, it has soo much less to do with 'I'm not as powerful as Naruto'. If that were the case, why, never not one time has Sasuke achieved a new power, ability, or whatever, and sought out Naruto? Because from the point he leaves, he's not interested in anything Konoha anymore.
What are you even arguing here? Of course Itachi showing up had a lot to do with his decision to leave. No fucking shit. But that's not all there is to it. Sasuke believed he needed ever more power, more than he could get in Konoha, because Naruto had been wounding his pride for so long. He was thinking along the lines of "If even Naruto is more powerful than me, how can I ever hope to beat Itachi?" And Orochimaru offered him power. Sasuke felt a need to prove himself better than Naruto just like Naruto always felt a need to prove himself TO Sasuke. Why do you think he instigated their fight on the hospital?

And why are you arguing about how he felt after the timeskip? That has nothing to do with what motivated him prior to it.

The last part of Sasuke's character a lot of people also 'put to the side' is one has to remember, Sasuke spent at least a portion of his early life, where there were problems between Uchiha, and Konoha, and thats the reason ultimately the Coup was thought up and pursued. That equates to animosity on both sides, whether unspoken or not. To date the only clan that was a part of any village, and that had been separated from they're supposed village was the Uchihas. That is a shameful walk, and prolly pissed off many Uchiha whom knew they had nothing to do with the events that landed the clan where it was, and many prolly felt between a rock and a hard place. Therefore, coming to live with those who sent my Brother to kill my parents and my clan, wouldn't sit well with an Uchiha, especially a Prince. He knew he wasn't 'with his own', and thats why he ultimately left, they was nothing to 'fix' or 'work out' because the leadership of Konoha had the supposed nuts to order all that death, but not the nuts to support the decision, so they said 'lets keep it a secret that hopefully nobody finds out'.
1. Sasuke was completely unaware of the conflict between the Uchiha and the village.
2. Sasuke spent his entire childhood being told what an honor it was to be part of the Uchiha Police, having the special position of being the protectors and law of the village.

You're arguing that Sasuke was fully aware of the tension when we know for a fact that he wasn't. This whole paragraph is complete bollocks.

And for all the reasons a lot of people bash Sasuke, thats why I respect him. He didn't just follow the 'ninja path' Konoha sets for people; didn't follow the path Itachi left for him, and is one of the top shinobi basically living on his own since Vote, every character in the manga hasn't shown the inside stuff to survive as Sasuke has. He's not the best, or the baddest, but he does matter, no one can question that. And he did it the Frank Sinatra way, his way.
The thing is, all of those decisions were driven by unrelenting arrogance and complete disrespect for everyone who ever cared about him. Sure it's "his" path, but "his path" is pissing on Itachi's memory while trying to claim that he's honoring him. He doesn't listen to reason or morality anymore, he's basically just driven by pure impulse and emotion. That's why I can't stand him; he's so purely unsympathetic, and he's so much less compelling a character in part 2 compared to part 1.
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