Originally Posted by kael03
You're not listening, as usual. They aren't trying to change marriage. They just want to be able to have the same rights with their partners that heterosexual couples have. Same-sex marriage, civil unions, the title itself doesn't matter to most of gay community. The legal recognition of that union and all the rights entitled to a "married" couple are the only things they want.
I am listening I'm just tryign to have a dialogue here on the merits from both sides.. maybe merit isn't the right word but I'm trying to see things from both points of view.. that way if I come across someoen who opposes it I can argue startign from their side and walk them across the street instead of trying to drag them across.
THe term marriage is the problem if there was a legislation to promote federal civil unions maybe there wouldn't be too much backlash from the religious community cause lets face it thats where this is coming from.
Originally Posted by Numinous
To add to kael post's, why is the word "marriage" so taboo when it comes to gay marriage? Are the people bothered with the use of the word even aware of its root?
Marriage comes from the Latin maritus, which means "husband" (more literally, "male lover"). That's because in Ancient Rome the purpose of getting married was to give the husband the right of being the head of the house and continue his family's legacy. His wife/submissive husband (it was Rome, after all) was just an accessory.
Of course the meaning shifted through time, but to advocate the word strictly means its "traditional sense" while disregarding its root sounds stupid.
But really, only idiots would have a knee-jerk reaction about a word being used without it being the dumbassed definition they gave it.
And therin lies the problem people need to understand what words mean and I will admit even I am too lazy to bother with what words mean and I do more than most so I cna understand where the problem is coming from.. In order to fix a problem you must first acknowledge it so maybe placing the definition out there with the message could help.