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Old 07-13-2012, 11:37 PM   #1715
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

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I hate to say it but some of you have been drinking a little too much of the kyf fruit punch. If I have to do some serious debunking than so be it. First of all, I will state for the record that this is bordering on theory more than physical proof but at least this is more likely.

First of all, we can all say for certain that the rinnegan was an ability the first sage had before he became the jinchuriki of the juubi.
U are speaking of debunking... u do not even know the difference between opinion and fact...

There is no evidence to support the idea that he had the RG before he became the juubi's jink... NONE!!! Maybe he was a dragon sage or some other senjutsu master, but not a sage of six paths...
The juubi is shown with a sharinnegan... a doujutsu of both the sharingan and rinnegan... RS was most likely just an uzumaki with powerful sealing abilities which is how he was able to seal the juubi....

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As for how the juubi has the rinnegan lets be honest here. How do you control a powerful beast and keep it distracted long enough that you can seal it? You find a way to disrupt it both physically and mentally enough that you can take control of it. As nagato demonstrated, its possible to take control of someone and remote control them as long as you imbed a suitable amount of chakra rods in order to take control of that person. The side effect of full control of a target is you give that person rinnegan eyes. That is why the paths of pain have rinnegan eyes but on closer inspection you discover they do not have a true rinnegan. That is why the juubi as we see him fighting the first sage has rinnegan eyes. The image we see most often is the image of the sage of the six paths fighting the mind of the juubi for control of its body. That is why the juubi has the rinnegan. Take that away and what do you have left? Just the tomoes which brings me to the next part of this debunk.
Uuum, the paths of nagato and tobi both had RG eyes and even SG as well...

However, a jink, when using the power of the bijuu has the same eyes as well... so this is the same with RS... once he became the juubi's jink and used its power, he gained the same eyes as well... there is your debunk lol...

The paths of RG users having RG eyes is probably due to the power being connected to the bijuu, thus the juubi itself... there is no explanation where such a power came from before the juubi came along... not one!

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oNow here is something to consider. Ever wonder why the sharingan has more in common with the juubi than the rinnegan? Well if the rinnegan was with the sage of the six paths before than its safe to assume he didn't acquire the sharingan until after he became the juubi jinchuriki. This explains why by nature the sharingan seems more in common with the darkness of the juubi unlike the rinnegan which is not.
No, the SG has more in common with the kyuubi... it has the power to control and summon the kyuubi... while the RG has the power to summon the juubi and control it (gedo mazo is the juubi)... So that shits on your theory...

It turns out that the SG is a lower power version of the RG, not the other way around... The manga suggest that as the SG can control/summon the kyuubi (likely half the juubi's power)... the SG is more connected to the kyuubi... Karin even confirmed that sasukes MS'spower feel just like the kyuubi's within naruto...

So, if the SG is connected to the kyuubi (powered down version of the juubi), likely chakra more Yin in nature like the SG... then the juubi with the other 8 bijuu being more Yang in nature of chakra, of the juubi... kyuubi/yin and other 8 bijuu/Yang creates the RG... just as a regular uchiha/kyuubi power can only awaken the EMS.... but once hashirama senju's power is added (like the yang of the other eight bijuu) the RG is born...

SO if you still cannot follow...

The full power of the kyuubi offers the power of the SG... which the uchiha inherited from the elder son of RS, which was the YIN half of RS/juubi's power... While Hashirama senju inherited power Yang nature chakra, which he inherited from the younger son, who was given the yang half of RS's/jubi's power...

How do I know this??? Because the juubi is confirmed as having Yin/yang nature chakra... Yin is the power of imagination and spiritual energy that when applied can create shape and form from nothingness (aka genjutsu!)
while Yang is the power of vitality and physical energy that when applied gives life...
and guess what the elder son inherited from RS/juubi?? His eyes, powerful spiritual energy and chakras while the younger son inherited RS's powerful body with vitality and physical energy...
Both perfectly inherited the Yin/Yang of RS/juubi... (which is why I believe RS used the same izanagi he used to create the bijuu to give his sons the Yin/yang power of the juubi)...



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That brings us to the main crux of this situation. Why can't the sharingan and the rinnegan merge to become one eye type? The answer is the same as why the byakugan and the sharingan can not become one eye type. They both have distinctly different chakra signatures that make them different from one another. This is why a merger of them is not possible and anyone who does possess one of each type must use the other ability seperately. This is the reason why tobi had to have an ems eye and a rinnegan eye implanted. This is why madara had to switch back and forth between ems and rinnegan abilities instead of combine them together. He couldn't use both at the same time so he had to shut off one eye type ability in order to access the other. Both of these cases prove that combining the two together is nearly impossible much like the dust element jutsu. The ability in itself is almost impossible and thus even being as powerful as madara are forced to follow this rule despite how awesome it would be to combine the two together. This also explains why tsukyama and amaterasu can not be cast at the same time. Even those two carry entirely different chakra signatures thus why sasuke has always had to use one jutsu while keeping the other eye closed since it requires a fair amount of concentration on one eye just to use that ability.

Now that ladies and gents concludes my opinion on why the sharinnegan can not exist. Kyf's upgrade idea seems nice in theory but if its rules are the same as what my chakra signature theory suggests than its theoretically impossible for it to ever happen. Hope you enjoy the read.
You just do not get it do you... the SG came from the RG... its just a lower power version of the RG...
It goes SG-MS-EMS-RG... thats how it goes and was proven by edo madara with kabuto's help...

Do you want to know how the SG becomes the RG....?

as the spiritual energy/Yin nature chakra of the SG builds from tomoe to tomoe... then to the MS, then to the EMS... and the power of the SG goes from completely being genjutsu with a basic SG... to being two ninjutsu and only one genjutsu with the MS... (MS+ Such as shisui's Kotoamatsukami is the final genjutsu, while tobi and kakashi have a powerful T/S ninjutsu... due to them having other bloodline traits of either senju or uzumaki I assume) then the EMS being two ninjutsu and one genjutsu along with an unknown doujutsu... then once the EMS becomes the RG... only ninjutsu abilities are offered by it....

Note: Notice that the juubi had nine tomoe... a row of tomoe for each level of the SG... the basic SG is three tomoe... the MS is three more tomoe (and jutsu) making a six tomoe SG... then finally the EMS is the last three tomoe as a MS+MS doujutsu which makes a nine tomoe SG... the same SG power seen in the juubi's eye...
SG=3 tomoe
MS=3 more tomoe
EMS=3more tomoe...
The "true power" of the SG as tobi and itachi call it is a 9 tomoe SG... just like what the juubi shows...

You see... as the SG evolves... it turns from being purely a genjutsu eye to purely being a ninjutsu, the RG... but madara showed he could still use his sasanoo meaning he could aslo use amaterasu and tsukuyomi because they are the requirement for using sasanoo... so you are wrong jean... the power of the SG is still usable when it evolves into the RG...

IMO, Nagato's RG was not evolved from the EMS, but a basic SG... Its because of the power of life force and physical energy nagato had... he must of transformed the SG eyes implanted by madara straight into the RG when he saw his parents die, as opposed to awakening a MS like uchiha do... that is why nagato could use no MS jutsu...

SO we got it jean... edo madara proved you can still use MS abilities after evolving the EMS into the RG by using his sasanoo... and that the SG is merely a devolved version of the RG due to the sage splitting the Yin/SG power from the Yang/life force and physical energy that created the RG...
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