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Old 07-30-2012, 01:36 PM   #128
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Re: Naruto 595 Discussion

I missed your post jericho...

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki View Post
I'm just going out on a ledge here.

1. Scientifically(and sociably) it may be known that Hashirama had extremes amount of chakra( He created the forest around the Leaf village for goodness Sake's).
2. Danzou got his "power Ups" implanted via Orochimaru. (stated by Tobi)
3. Orochimaru knew the capabilities of Hashi DNA (ex: Yamato)
4. Uchiha's don't need extra accessories to use their OWN abilities. Obviously the guy (shusi) used his tech more than once. He more than likely had a moral code of his own that he didn't SPAM it. We don't know how much concentration it might takes.
5. Itachi was telling NARUTO that HE (as in Naruto)would NEED Hashirama Senju chakra to use the eye any sooner than 10 years. NOT everyone including Shisui. Keep in mind Naruto PROBABLY HAS the same amount as the 1st, BUT Itachi wouldn't know that.
5b. Danzo was injected with Hashi DNA strictly to maintain the Sharinghans and the jutsu he would use with them.
I think You are under the impression that it takes quantity of chakra judging by your post when I think its quality of chakra which only hashirama himself had, that we have not seen since naruto's own Yang chakra kyuubi mode which also reacted with ashirama's power/mokuton element...

IMO, with hashirama senju having abilities of both the senju and uzumaki clan...(physical energy, powerful chakra=senju and powerful life energy and vitality=uzumaki power as stated by the manga) Its why his chakra is so special IMO... With hashirama's close relationship to the uzumaki, I think its very likely considering the uzumaki and senju are probably both directly descended from RS's younger son who inherited the Yang portion of his fathers thus the juubi's power which is based on Physical energy and life energy...

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EDIT: More about the Mind control jutsu. You have to think it is NOT a battle primed jutsu you are literally making decisions THROUGH that person. You would have to plan it through to do it right. Except of course unless it is something simple like "I am jumping off this cliff".
BUT changing someone's mind AFTER you stop controlling them is a different story. Let's say he placed it on Danzou okay so what about The Uchiha that were planning the Coup ? He gonna do it to ALL of them? No cause then HE would be taking the free will from most of his clans leaders. He was similar to Naruto, that being said... if it was as simple as "Protect Konoha" I am sure it would have been done.
Danzou got his eye because he ordered him to give it to him. But far as him putting mind control on Itachi? No, what would the command be? "Love Konoha more than your people except Sasuke, pretend to be evil so he can be strong and oh yeah kill the clan too while your at it.PS, if you die and come back under Edo Tensei, this will still be in effect."
Except clearly shisui can be seen wielding his kotoamatsukami while explaining his failure of stopping the coup while losing his eye to danzou... look...(shisui;s only eye is in MS form while shisui is explaining his vague and illogical story to itachi)http://www.mangakong.com/manga/Naruto/590/11

Then notice that when itachi got the eye from shisui, it was not in MS form, but in SG form instead which can only mean the MS was used from the time he was explaining his story to taking out his eye to give it to itachi... We know it had to be regular SG because itachi said himself that he could not use shisui's eye until ten years after that moment, thus it was not in MS form otherwise itachi could of used it to stop the Coup d'etat...

Think about it... why would shisui have his eye in MS form while trying to explain an unreasonable reason why he failed and had to die... then give it back in regular SG form...

IMO, because shisui used his Koto eye to make itachi, who knew just how strong he and his genjutsu was, believe it could actually fail so easily as well as shisui lose an eye to danzou in a fight... And the only reason shisui would possibly give his MS eye back in SG form is because he just used it and did not want itachi to have the power to stop the coup on his own...

think about it... there is a problem with shisui's logic... he wanted itachi to use his eye to protect the village which is the whole premise for his giving itachi his eye , but instead of giving it to itachi in MS form as it clearly was... in order to be used to mind control his father into stopping the coup, thus stopping a revolution that could tear the leaf village apart... instead it was given in SG form because shisui had just used it or just wanted the coup d'etat to happen...

:SHisui somehow fails to control anyone in the hierarchy of konoha or the uchiha... despite the fact Koto has the power to control and EMS user, even when being used by a crow with a simple comand implanted as well as break the control of edo tensai which not even madara's EMS+RG doujutsu could which is why he had to use a release of his summoning contract as opposed to breaking out by force with a more powerful mind control jutsu like itachi did...

:SHisui again fails to stop the coup by giving itachi his eye in basic SG form which cannot be used for mind control... despite the fact it was in MS form for use of Kotoamatsukami right before shisui gave itachi his eye, it was charged up and ready to used...

Obviously shisui did not want the coup to be stopped because he on two separate occasions had the opportunity to stop it with his genjutsu, but just didn't...

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In other words If there was a trick pulled on Itachi then it wasn't THAT detailed just a simple facade (like he did to Sasuke) from a friend, NO MS genjutsu...lol.


I know a lot of you guys have high IQ's and degrees that mean your really smart. But sometimes, just sometimes it doesn't take so much thinking . My feeble 134 IQ is all it takes at times.
You are not taking into consideration the fact shisui clearly had his SG in MS form, charged up... yet once itachi got it, it was back in regular SG form meaning it had to of been used because the eye was already charged up as seen in the panel with shisui explaining his vague story of failure to stop the coup and protect his other eye...
And since itachi needed the decade it takes for his chakra to recharge the eye... itachi clearly did not get the eye back in MS form as it was just moments before itachi got it to somehow protect the village with its uselessness for another decade while the coup was merely days away...

You see what I am trying to point out here?

EDIT: SOmething to consider... how did tobi know about Orochimaru's experiments with hashirama's blood, cells and power? He knew of his ability to use hashirama's cells in experimentation as well as danzou's use of Orochimaru for his own purposes... Not even itachi knew of that... only hiruzen, Yamato, kakashi and now team kakashi also know of this... For tobi to know this he would of had to of been involved with Orochimaru and his experiments as a fellow shinobi scientist like Oro...

Oro even knew of his own plans to revive the juubi... making tobi wonder how much Oro really knew, showing anger and surprise as a reaction.
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