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Old 07-30-2012, 02:33 PM   #129
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Re: Naruto 595 Discussion

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Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
While the arm itself wasn't Shisui's arm itself, it contained his chakra network to sustain the Sharingan eyes, whose powers were complemented by the Shodai's cells in the very arm. As for the chakra power and potency, it's simply because Senju had the power of the body...
Were did you get "chakra network " From??? What was shown was hashirama's chakra in danzou's arm, shoulder and powering shisui's eye too, as its supposed to. It was reveled that the chakra in danzou's arm, shoulder and eye was shisui's because it had the same special color... such a special color AO could never forget... But in actuality, it was not shisui's chakra being used by that arm, but hashirama's chakra from cell implantation.

So in the end, AO had mistaken hashirama's chakra for shisui's because they both apparently have the same special color... which was the first imlication of shisui having hashirama chakra or something just as strong...

And the senju's do have a powerful body from powerful physical energy, but its only hashirama himself, the only senju in history, that had a powerful body equal or close to that of RS's younger son with both the physical energy of the senju as well as the powerful life force energy of the uzumaki...


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While I agree that he isn't a basic Uchiha, he managed to develop his own unique technique like Tobi has (if he really is an Uchiha). Itachi used Tsukiyomi but Sasuke has never mentioned the technique's name when using his Genjutsu. Thus, we can assume that Shisui's unique MS jutsu manifested differently compared to the other Uchiha.

Itachi's ace was Tsukiyomi, Sasuke has his Enton Release, Kakashi has his Kamui and Shisui had his Kotoamatsukami.
But the basic genjutsu alongn with a ninjutsu awakened by an uchiha is Tsukuyomi as stated by the DB#3... And sasuke did use tsukuyomi here against danzou right after he was cursed then immobilized... Danzou confimrs sasuke is using tsukuyomi because he compares it to itachi's which can control time and space...

Then because Madara can use sasanoo... he has to have tsukuyomi and amaterasu as MS jutsu because their mastery is required for sasanoo's use as stated by the DB#3 too...

So itachi and sasuke had tsukuyomi... then if madara's eye's combined with his brother Izuna's then he as well had to of had tsukuyomi... meaning both izuna and madara had tsukuyomi and amaterasu for their MS jutsu just as itachi and sasuke did...

Yet, somehow shisui was able to awaken Kotoamatsukami which way surpasses tsukuyomi as a genjutsu... and just as the combining of hashirama's chakra with Edo madara's EMS... it was taken to a whole other level becoming the RG. Then tobi also having hashirama's chakra from cell implantation, just happens to have a T/S jutsu that surpasses amaterasu...
IMO, the use of hashirama's chakra must of been the reason for shisui awakening kotoamatsukami as opposed to the average tsukuyomi... this is aslo validated by the fact hashirama's chakra is required for Koto's proper use as well...

However, kakashi hatake was able to train his chakra and awaken a MS t/s barrier jutsu called kamui... and he does not have hashirama chakra... But with kamui being a mere time space barrier ninjutsu unlike tobi's time space jutsu that acts as a whirlpool in space that can draw anything in as well as spit it back out...
IMO, kakashi will end being directly related to the younger son of RS's through either the senju or uzumaki... which is why he could awaken a jutsu that surpasses amaterasu, but not quite as effective as tobi's...

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That is debatable. After the disappearance of Shisui's body, and to mention his own admittance of Danzo taking his eye, Itachi had more than enough reason to be wary of Danzo. If Ao could identify Shisui's chakra in Danzo's arm with the Byakugan, then Itachi could well have identified the chakra source of Hashirama and Shisui in Danzo's arm. He had the Uchiha eyes and the Senju chakras - the perfect combination.

With all that Itachi knows about Konoha, uncovering the truth about Danzo's misdeeds is rather feasible for Itachi, if he hadn't know it beforehand already.
The SG cannot deduce chakra to the amount of detail the BG can... itachi even using his SG or MS could not of seen shisui's special chakra in danzou's arm, or hashirama's chakra either... Itachi would not even know what hashirama's chakra looked like unless shisui had the same chakra and itachi saw his, using it as an example...
There is just no evidence to show itachi knew anything about danzou's use of hashirama's chakra, ten SG's ect... only his use of shisui's eye because shisui told him he took it...

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If Hashirama's chakra is needed to awaken special Sharingan abilities, then would the converse be applicable as well? Uchiha DNA to augment Senju abilities? No such mention of this has been made so its a bit of a moot point. I strongly believe that Hashirama's chakra was used to augment the frequency of the jutsu and maybe its potency on par with the original, however, simply due to the lack of the original Uchiha body, which is the originator of the jutsu.
No, the SG has no way to augment the body because it is a doujutsu... only a powerful body that produces a powerful chakra can augment a doujutsu because the doujutsu is used by the very same chakra produced by the body... It seems physical energy and life force energy breed spiritual and mental energy... which is why the SG's power (YIN nature chakra) becomes even more powerful...

Again, itachi said himself that ONLY hashirama's chakra could power Kotoamatsukami regularly, as opposed to any other including uchiha's chakra, that can only once a decade... WIth this in mind, how could shisui as a mere uchiha with basic uchiha chakra ever possibly awaken much less use his own genjutsu more then ocne a decade meaning he could only use his own genjutsu two times if he awakened it at age 12, supposedly dying at age 22 ten years later...

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Shisui is not a regular Uchiha. The regular Uchihas are the unnamed Uchihas. Also, comparing Tsukiyomi and Kotoamatsukami can't be compared on the same benchmark since they differ in application, perception and consequence.

Hashirama's chakra was used to ease the effort for others wanting to use Shisui's Kotoamatsukami. His chakra helped in evolving the Sharingan into a different Doujutsu, not augmenting the individual strength of their techniques.
itachi, sasuke, madara and Izuna are regular uchiha's with regular uchiha chakra as well which is why they awakened MS jutu's tsukuyomi and amaterasu... as opposed to shisui who was not regular because he had a special chakra powerful enough to rival hashirama's which is why its required to use his genjutsu properly as he did...

And yes hashirama did augment the SG... with the RG being the final level of the SG after the EMS... then hashirama's chakra has to augment the SG's power to reacha whole other level. This same concept is used for shisui... as his Kotoamatsukami is tsukuyomi on a whole other level, with a four tomoe version of itachi's MS for a design...

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He was an Uchiha famed for his prowess and techniques, so he obviously wasn't a regular/basic/generic Uchiha.
I've already explained my reasons above. Deliberate on them a bit before responding.
Obviously shisui was not a basic uchiha... However, I believe your idea of a basic uchiha is a bit off... a basic uchiha are those who have no other bloodlines of the sage... thus awaken the basic MS jutsu amaterasu, tsukuyomi and maybe even sasanoo...
think about it... If hashirama's chakra can increase the power of the EMS thus becoming the RG... then the use of hashirama's chakra must be capable of increasing the power of a basic SG to a whole other level I call a MS+... which is a MS beyond that of the basic MS... just as the RG is a MS beyond that of the EMS, as its final level...

SHisui had a four tomoe MS version of itachi's MS... the basic MS are three tomoe in design so its likely the way to measure its level... thus why a EMS is the combination of two three tomoe MSs that then become a six tomoe MS...

I understand what you are saying, but I think you missed allot of my points and should deliberate on them...
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