Originally Posted by Miburo
I dunno guys. Edit: I agree with this guy^
Should we really make laws against pissing off fucking savages because they conduct themselves like they are rabid chimpanzees or some shit and can't handle a guy making a youtube video that upsets them without going out and murdering innocent people? It's not like the goddamn movie was US government funded or anything. Fuck off, you goddamn savages.
Yeah, the loss of innocent lives is horrible and tragic. It's really, really goddamn upsetting. And it certainly isn't necessary for people to be trying to piss these guys off. But come on. Fuck those guys, seriously. What the fuck are these countries doing about all the goddamn psychopath murderers they have as citizens? If our country is going to do something about it, we should do something that doesn't involve trying to appease monsters at the expense of our own citizens' freedoms. Like get on these guys to clean up their shithole countries to the point where foreign diplomats aren't being murdered and having their corpses dragged through the streets because of some low budget, shitty movie. Which really shouldn't be a lot to ask.
Besides, if the US made pissing off crazy sand savages illegal it would seriously do nothing. Because then someone in holland or some shit would draw a cartoon that displeases these barbarians and they'd go behead some americans anyway if they could get their hands on them. Or brits, or canadians, or sweds, or whoever they can find. Because they don't fucking care. They're seriously goddamn cave men. Cave man mad. Cave man allah ackbar people. That's what they do. It doesn't matter who does it, probably wouldn't matter if anyone even did anything. Get some chinese dude to stroll around over there all by himself and they're probably saw his head off with a jagged rock if they get the chance and say they did it because he was a filthy infidel or some shit. It doesn't matter. They're monsters.
I do understand where you are coming from, but I still think that having a system in place to try and stop idiotic shit like this from happening is better than not.
So yeah, the Muslims who can't tolerate anything against their religion are ridiculous and there shouldn't be a law limiting others' freedom to protect scrubs like them. But
you're right - they are savages, they aren't going to change. In that same way though, there are always going to be people like that
. Even if the Middle East magically got its shit together tomorrow it'll only be a matter of time before a similar ethnic or religious group gets wound up over nothing. Putting some limitations on your own people is the crappier thing to do, but it's the only thing that will work. It's the pragmatic solution rather than the ideal.
I'd like for any barbarians like these people not to exist, but that will not ever happen. The very least you can do is stop handing them such easy reasons to go ape shit and kill people. Batshit religious people are a resigned fact of the era we live in. It is sacrificing some freedom to those who don't deserve it, but there's a living cost to extending it to such extremes.
That said, I am implying that there is a line of distinction.
Things like drawing Muhammed are fine - that's so inconsequential as an action, that it causing people to be killed is more or less inevitable. I wouldn't limit that.
The savages who go crazy over things like that would have done so anyway. But I think that this film is different because there's nothing to it other than deliberate provocation. There's no humour or insight, or public interest in it. That's kind of behaviour provokes the dumbshits who are near-savages into being savages and it happens meaninglessly. At least making fun of a religion has meaning to it. The embassy workers died for nothing other than the right to outright insult - I'd die for the right to laugh at or mock, or to tell the truth, but not for what is a borderline hate crime.
I do agree with you, but eradicating stupidity is realistically impossible and some limits on freedom of speech are worthy, if regrettable, forms of damage limitation.