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Old 09-26-2012, 07:05 AM   #408
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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash View Post
Here we go again... I translate Japanese better then anyone else which is why I translate these chapters for us.... (...)
Hey, mister "suddenly I'm skeptical of everything that contradicts my point of view even if I don't understand it", I gave you the raw and even gave you the Kanji in my post that are in the raw. Move your ass and translate it yourself. If you find the word "all", congratulations, you might be capable of finding Big Foot.

Again I say that scanlations aren't infallible and it's worth much more to check what the original Japanese says before clinging to a specific word that happens to be a mistranslation.

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And the blonde lead character is uzumaki by name only..
Oh gee, I thought he was Uzumaki because his mother was one and he has some characteristics of the Uzumaki like a great chakra pool which was the reason why he was able to be a Jinchuuriki.

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He took it from his mom, but clearly takes after his father... Uses his jutsu, looks just like him, ect... You are trying to argue that because the name "Uzumaki" is behind naruto's, yet he has blonde hair... that uzumaki's having red hair is false... lol, yea, you keep believing w/e you want little fellow...
Hey guys, remember in middle school when they said that oocytes had 50% of the mother's DNA and spermatozoa 50% of the father's, thus creating a baby with both parents' DNA when the oocyte was fertilized? Forget about it, now oocytes have no DNA because spermatozoa have all the DNA, basically making all kids their father's clone!

Females in this manga? You wish, they're all shemales that somehow are able to get pregnant! Happy nightmares provided to you by KYF.

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If you can not understand why it is "unbelievable" that two black haired, black eyed pale skin brothers can become so different after such a short amount of time, not millions of years....
Do you believe in dog breeds? If you do, you pretty much killed your own argument, since various breeds of dogs are only centuries old, and even some ancient breeds are within RS' timeline. So if you believe there are dog breeds which include morphological differences between each other, what's unbelievable about humans only changing slight things as hair/eye/skin color?

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And you are still not taking into account that KB, clearly not pale white, but brown... by Control of his bijuu has some relation to the sage as well... (...)Just something else you will have to apologize about....
Betting on the future unknown, are we? Well, KYF, I'm not a prestidigitator, so I can't see into the future or pull factoids out of my ass, so I work with the manga provides. And there's no manga panel stating that Jinchuuriki necessarily have to be descended from the RS. So why don't you stop bringing non-canon?

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Yea....
That did not explain all the different hair, eye colors... or skin tones.... All of which should have taken much longer then 1000 years to achieve from the two black haired, black eyed, pale skin brothers....
How the fuck doesn't it explain? What the hell do you want me to do, mapping out when and where the gene mutations/acquiring happened so your closed-mindedness disguised as skepticism understands?

The human evolutionary path is conditioned by many factors, like geography of their habitat, weather, diet, resources, risk of predation, diseases, etc. It's also conditioned by mutations on the DNA, which occur at a rate of 0,00003% of the genome per generation. It might sound a small rate, but keep in mind that the difference between humans and Neanderthal's DNA is only 0,03%, so that figure can escalate into significant differences given enough generations.

It also demonstrates how insignificant things like hair/eye/skin color are in terms of the genome, specially after considering that the proteins responsible for them can have different properties by just having a different aminoacid in them, caused by a simple relocation of base pairs in the DNA and even a switcharoo within the same pair caused by a previous mitosis, and considering there are millions of base pairs in the genome, the 0,00003% figure suddenly becomes huge.

Now my question is, you keep saying it's unbelievable, it's impossible, it doesn't have enough time but you never say why it is so. You never provide a counterargument that isn't "it's wrong because I say so". At least I put my knowledge on the table, now what's the reason behind those statements? Or it is simply you not wanting to listen to reasonable answers and preferring to keep yourself in delusion?

(I'd also like to know where in your colon you pulled that 1000 years number.)

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Birds can fly and go great distances to mate so it is understandable with them.... (lots of inanity inbetween)
Especially since not until about 100 years ago did the sage's power (the SG, senju's and uzumaki's) start to really evolve...
Oh my fucking Cthuhu, so much stupid in one go.
  1. You completely misunderstood the example of Darwin's Finches. They'll not fly great distances and fuck somewhere else, we're talking about little birds contained in little habitats that are each Galapagos' islands (which are almost 1000 km away from mainland), thus a finch in a specific island having different conditions than another finch in another island, explaining how they're diverse.
  2. Finches and humans suffer the exact same conditionings of geography, weather, diet, predation, mutations, etc. The only thing that changes is how they affect them, since finches and humans are different animals. So saying they aren't under the same type of circumstances is stupid.
  3. Who the fuck talked about the RS' sons either doing great distances or having plenty of pussy to go around to justify the diversity of their descendants? Because that's a ridiculous strawman. The variances in both phenotype and genotype could happen anywhere in the bloodlines between RS and modern Uchiha/Senju/Uzumaki, it's unreasonable to think they had to happen in the very beginning. Also, Uzumaki's red hair had to appear after they and the Senju separated, since that hair color isn't nearly as common in Senju as it is in Uzumaki
  4. You're confusing evolution with the prerogative of the narration. Just because the people of the last 100 years are given proper limelight it doesn't mean the evolution of the bloodlines was frozen until then.

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It is possible with the ridiculous circumstance you suggested... You are just trying to justify one false argument by making another false argument... Good job...
So proper genetics and evolution are "ridiculous circumstances" and "false arguments". You see, this is the kind of thing that makes you sound like a retarded Creationist, but since you condemn Creationism, I don't know what's your stance in the matter. Do you accept evolution or not? Because you can't have it both ways.

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going by standards... Again, you are basis your argument on standards of actual genetics while standards in the story are something completely different...
Prove to me the standards of the manga's genetics are completely different from actual genetics. Bring me evidence of something that can't clearly happen with actual genetic mechanisms. And before you make an ass of yourself and bring up Kisame or Zetsu, you have to realize I accept there are genes in the Narutoverse that are absent from the real world and that Zetsu is created by DNA and chakra, thus being under Suspension of Disbelief.

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You yourself know what dominant genes are so why are you claiming this to mean anything to help your argument... Naruto takes after his father in everything except he has his mothers face...
And tsunade's parents are not even known, but it is said she takes after he grand father, senju...
Phenotype=/=genotype, dumbass. Just because the phenotype tilts towards one parent due to dominant/recessive and other gene dynamics it doesn't mean the genotype is the same way. It's 50% father, 50% mother, so Naruto is a Namikaze as much he is a Uzumaki.

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and for someone who studies genetics you sure do not seem to know much...
Right, because thinking phenotype determines genotype and not the other way around clearly demonstrates how much you know about genetics. Which is little to none.

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Gaara is completely different from his other two siblings... He completely takes after his fathers bloodline, not his mothers... while temari looks like her mother, clearly taking after her... Kankuro doesn't really look like any them...
Kankurou is the damn carbon copy of his father, have you seen Kankurou without makeup and his father? You can't deny the similarities.

Also, Gaara, Temari and Kankurou share the same father and mother, they simply received some different genes from both. So if one is Uzumaki, all of them are Uzumaki, simple as that.

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But point being, gaara's fathers genes are clearly dominant in him which why he has red hair and his KKG... While the others have the same genes but are not dominant obviously they would have been compatible as a jinchuriiki and have a KKG as well...
I don't know what you think dominant genes are. In genetics, they're simply genes that are translated in favor of other genes (recessive genes). They're not some fatalistic genes that only express themselves on the chosen ones as what you're trying to depict them.

Also, the Fourth Kazekage does not have red hair, it's brown like Kankurou's. Also, the KKG is not confirmed on Gaara. So along with being wrong, you're running on all kinds of assumptions with no canon behind them. That's how pathetically weak your argument is.
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