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Old 10-11-2012, 02:34 PM   #121
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Because Kamui is not MS so it isn't relevant.
Kamui is the MS in that it come from the MS... when you awaken the MS, you awaken kamui as well obviously... So how is the MS and kamui two completely different things for kakashi???

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Stop. The databook does not state that Kakashi gained MS through training.
How he awakend Kamui, which can only be used by the MS, thus kakashi had to awaken the MS to use kamui... It's not hard, why try to complicate it???

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What we saw was Kakashi killing Rin. Obito gained MS by witnessing her death while Kakashi gained it by actually killing her.
Yes kakashi killed RIN, but what we saw was obito's eye's both go MS while kakashi was passing out... ANd as a nonuchiha, awakening the MS on his own is supposed to be impossible which itachi even commented about...

Due to the obvious telepathic connected foreshadowed by obito seeing rin's death through his eye in kakashi once he got close enough... the same telepathic link is likely the reason his eye in kakashi became MS as well as his...
If obito has a connection that allows him to see through his eye as if it is still in his eye socket... then why can't his eye react to his emotional stress becoming MS like his other eye, as if it is still connected as well...???

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That would imply that Kakashi is senju so no. Kamui is a technique used with MS & has nothing to do with Senju. It's a sharingan exclusive.
no it wouldn't... Obito is uchiha/senju because of his zetsu/hashirama half body... while kakashi is hattake/uchiha...
Kamui can still be a senju/uchiha technique... thus obito can use kamui properly while kakashi as a hattake needed 16 years of training to gain the chakra to invoke the MS that was awakened years earlier... and use it's technique kamui, but only half assed, as a nonsenju should without the power of the senju to properly power the MS eye...

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Which is meaningless.
: Obito has half senju body and half uchiha body...

: Zetsu said that by using both powers of the senju and uchiha together... a new eye power never before seen can be awakened...

: Obito awakened an eye power never seen before or since... Kamui...

: and shisui, someone else who had use of senju and uchiha powers together also awakened an eye power never seen before or since..... Kotoamatsukami...

Yea, it's meaningless... LAMO!


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No
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YES!!!

The power of the UCHIHA/YIN element and the SENJU/YANG element... can produce more powerful doujutsu...
It did for shisui with Kotoamatsukami...
It did for obito with Kamui...
and it did with edo madara creating the RG from the EMS...

YES!!!


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Actually they are the same jutsu as stated by Kakashi.
I just stated they are the same technique... but they are more like two separate jutsu though..
1. time space body/parts and object shifting into another dimension leaving an illusion of the body/part of object that was shifted.... seems to be instinctive... automatic almost by activating the MS when attacked...
2. Time space transfer and return which completely transfers anything into another dimension leaving nothing behind... and then bringing it back too...

and that is not including kakashi's technique which is a distance time space transfer... or what activating both eye's at once would do...

Both are so different... they are as different as shirei tensai and banshou tenin...

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Actually Kakashi awakened his own by killing Rin as shown in the manga.
No, I think obito awakened the MS in his own eye in kakashi due to the telepathic link he has with it... Kakashi is not an uchiha thus unable to awaken the MS from the SG... However, after obito already awakened the MS in the eye... kakashi gained enough chakra to invoke the MS in it to use a half assed kamui...

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Overreaching much?
No it fits perfectly...


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You need to remember that Kakashi isn't an Uchiha & thus can not fully utilize the potential of his sharingan as stated by Itachi back in part 1.
He is not uchiha, but has the power in his left eye, obito's eye... Using his chakra through the uchiha chakra that is already in the eye is the same thing obito does by using hashirama senju chakra and his uchiha though the eye at once... thus kamui is invoked...

and I know what itachi said... and what he said in part 2 implied it is impossible for kakahsi to awaken the MS from the transplanted SG because he lacks the chakra of the uchiha to push it...

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KYF you're clearly over complicating the situation here. None of what you're saying here is ever going to be addressed in the manga since it isn't important. The question is simply how did Kakashi gain MS. The answer is also simple; by killing Rin. End of discussion.
: Except not uchiha cannot awaken the MS due to their inability to use the SG's true potential... as you recognized yourself...

: Obito has a telepathic link with his eye...

: kakashi didn't invoke the MS in the eye until 16 years later... How can kakashi awaken something he did not have the power to use unlike obito who did?
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