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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash
But itachi was never shown the MS by tobito... meaning the only other person he knew of with the MS was shisui... the other person...
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@ bolded: And you know this exactly how? Specially when the statement Vengeance pointed to was in a context where Sasuke, Itachi and Madara/Tobi were the only ones being referenced, since, you know they were alive. Shisui's MS was clearly conceptualized way after the statement and it doesn't even contradict Itachi's statement, meaning Shisui was dead at the time of the statement.
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Itachi never actually saw shisui die... and kabuto could not find any of him anywhere... so it was actually shisui's body that was hidden too... but why when his eye power is what he wanted to hide...??? The whole thing makes no sense until it is revealed what happened to shisui's body,
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It was found dead in Nakana River by the Uchiha and they reached to the conclusion he died by drowning. So yes, it was revealed what happened to Shisui's body, it was DEAD.
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how he had hashirama's power
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He didn't, simple as that.
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and how he was involved with the mist incident...
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He wasn't. See, you're so involved in your delusion you keep missing the plot already wrapped up Shisui's part of it, so you still see loose threads where there are none.
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Wow, you have the confirmed age of shisui??? NO... then WTF make you claim his age as if it is cannonz??? Kishi delusion much???
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You're the one with delusions here, pal. The plot clearly indicates Itachi and Shisui were of similar ages: looks, their brotherly bond (which was never referred as an older-younger one), the fact Itachi was Shisui's superior in the ANBU team and the standard is that leaders are of the same age or older than their subordinates, the fact Shisui's appearances all took place during Itachi's timeline. So saying Shisui was a 5 years-old kid 16 years ago is an educated guess. Of course I don't deem it canon, I'm not an idiot like you, but it's the most logical of numbers for Shisui's age. Any other guess derives from assumptions that are weak at best.
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and madara has been hooked to the GM for a while it seems... they guy cannot move without dying and sleeps for months at a time..
And while madara was stuck to GM, yagura is being controlled and it obviously is not obito because he is just now awakening the MS and has not even attacked konaha yet... but the mist is already the "bloody mist" as the shinobi stated... meaning it is already under control by someone... because it got it's name "bloody mist" from the harsh rules enforced by yagura when he was being controlled...
Explain this with logic lol...
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Simple, if you stop assuming Yagura's mind control started after Madara got hooked to Gedou Mazou and that Genjutsu require the caster to be in front of the target 24/7, it's really simple. Also, watch out for the false dichotomy you seem to ready to jump on. This is not "if not Madara, Shisui" kind of situation. For all we know, the Bloody Mist denomination could be prior to what made it famous (the senseless killing of academy students in order to become Genin) or Yagura/Sandaime Mizukage weren't that nice to begin with. You have to rule out many possibilities and still validate your own.
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I asked you because your logic dictates that somehow a man stuck to GM far away is controlling yagura all the way in the mist, thus is in two places at once... using a genjutsu only shisui is known to have...
So where do you get your so called LOGIC from again...
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Again, you're assuming he had to be near Yagura for the Genjutsu to work and that Genjutsu was Kotoakatsukami. Both assumptions aren't canon.
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Unknown timeline... You just contradicted the shit out of yourself...
Hey everyone... Numious knows shisui was 5 when obito was killing mist ninja, but does not know how old he was when he fought AO in the mist village... damn numikishi... you are losing it... that psychic power is slipping... LMAO...
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It wouldn't be a post of yours if you didn't make a fool of yourself. Shisui's age can be pinned out due to educated guess as I explained above, but I can't make the same to when Ao and Shisui fought because there's no evidence to do so other than it had to happen before Shisui slept with the fishes.
Now, tell me, what evidence you have that Shisui is older than Itachi by 15~20 years other than your lack of depth perception and the fact you're trying to suck your own cock by still wanting Tobi=Shisui to be true even if the damn manga already shitted all over that?
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The genjutsu may have not been broken... they might of had to kill yagura to free him... But AO saw though the illusion placed on yagura... that much is known...
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So you're agreeing with me and contradicting yourself. Well, good to know!
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Oh really, what genjutsu???
SG genjutsu... no...
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Oh, of course you wouldn't recognize the fact Itachi's hooker behaved very similarly to Yagura. Just ignore the contradicting evidence like the pristine idiot you are. I won't even bother with rest of the quote because you already failed.
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1). madara WAS hokked to GM while yagura is being controlled which was revealed by the mist ninja's statement about the mist already being the bloody mist, which was due to yagura's control making his really harsh... it is not an assumption...
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Tell me how that contradicts what I said in the least.
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2. Genjutsu of Koto can be cast of the enemy and they will stay under the idea or thought shisui implanted... that is not an assumption... but if shisui wanted to implant an new thought or idea... he would need to be present to do it..
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So would Madara with another Genjutsu, you still haven't countered my point in the least. I'm not saying Madara didn't need to be near Yagura to cast the Genjutsu, I'm saying he didn't need to be near him AFTER the Genjutsu was cast.
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3. You are the one assuming shisui has no relevance to the plot even though the mist incident has yet to be revealed and he was involved in it...
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You're assuming he was involved. The manga does not state he was. That's your assumption only.
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his body is missing, has yet to be said what happened...
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It was stated twice what happened to the body: it was found dead. That's you not knowing how to read.
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and even had hashirama chakra and a genjutsu version of kamui as obito's opposite...
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Again, you're assuming he had Hashirama's chakra. The manga does not state he had. That's your assumption only.
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SO yes shisui has allot of relevance due to his being surrounded by so many secrets that have yet to be revealed...
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Because you're making those secrets up, so no shit he has relevance if you account fan assumptions instead of canon, where he's dead, everyone involved in his plot is dead, he has no plot anchor or unfinished purpose anymore, therefore not relevant at all.
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It's undetectable by the enemy that is under the genjutsu... SO yes, it is undetectable by the enemy... Only someone with the BG analyzing someone under Kotoamatsukami can detect it apparently...
This is canon... You just tried to take my statement out of context to make it illogical... nice try... Just because you make illogical statement doesn't mean everyone else does... You just have shit reading comp...
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You do realize mind control already by definition already implies the target isn't aware of it? So yeah, it's not me having shit reading comprehension, it's you who can't think properly in the first place.