Originally Posted by minato uchiha
Grow up man. What we are saying is CANON unless proven otherwise. This is just like when you argued ignorantly about Tobi not being the harbinger of disaster. You were wrong then and your wrong now.
What you're saying is NOT canon. Canon says that izanagi is derived from Creation of All Things, which the sage used to create the 9 bijuu.
Also, you're still wrong about the Obito thing, since the prophecy stated that the child of destiny would be the harbinger of chang. Obito being declared the harbinger of anything is Binktopia doing what they are known for, embellishing translations to side the dialogue into something more catchy. Minato never once said Obito was the harbinger of disaster, only that he was one of the catastrophes Naruto would have to overcome to make the changes he was destined for.