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Originally Posted by Numinous
No, there are plenty of available sites that point out the existence of Banbutsu Souzou as the source of the Bijuu, so it's not like it's some obscure reference, people simply have to double-check the data available instead of relying on the scanlations only.
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Sites, who cares what sites say... I can create sites and say I created the damn bijuu with KYF souzou lol... Doesn't make it true...
It was explained so easily that banbutsu souzou was something that Izanagi came from as it's practical application... and the power that created the bijuu, Yin and yang chakra, is the exact same thing explained as Izanagi's ability... Bringing Imagination (power of YIN) To life (power pf Yang)
the use of spiritual and mental energy of IMAGINATION which is the basis of YIN chakra... to give FORM and SHAPE from NOTHINGNESS... and Physical and life energy are the basis for YANG chakra that GIVES LIFE to the SHAPE and FORM (created through imagination)
Manga points it out so easily... put two and two together...
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It doesn't. I was pointing out that deeming Izanagi as the source of the Bijuu and saying it's canon is wrong.
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No it isn't... IZANAGI is said by the manga itself as the jutsu that created the bijuu from the juubi's YIN/YANG chakra... You and so many others just believed that the random "banbutsu souzou" was what created the bijuu because Izanagi is already known as a kinjutsu of the uchiha...
However, the manga explained that there is actually two different Izanagi's...
First: The Uchiha's kinjutsu Izanagi... By using the power of the uchiha's YIN chakra power of the SG... one can create and illusion from reality for just a breif moment allowing one to cheat death and avoid the consequences of one's actions which is why Izanami was created... in order to punish those to abuse this jutsu...
The power of the uchiha is all that is required to use this technique... the power of the senju can also be used, but only to extend the time one can make reality an illusion...
Explained here...
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Second: The Original Izanagi, the Izanagi of the sage of six paths himself... By using the power of the uchiha by applying YIN chakra to create shape and form from nothingness from the imagination... and using the power of the Senju by applying the power of the YANG chakra to bring the shape and form of the imagination to life...
One can bring Imagination to life, turning imagination into reality... That is the power of the sage's Izanagi...
That is two separate Izanagi's explained by the manga...
one requires only the power of the uchiha and can turn reality into an illusion for a moment... one can use the power of the senju to increase the duration of the illusion, but is not required for use of this izanagi the uchiha have been using for a long time apparently...
The other requires the power of the uchiha's YIN and senju's YANG chakra to create a form and shape from Imagination and bring it to life... The power to turn imagination into reality...
Two completely different Izanagi's... while banbutsu souzou is still just some impractical, inapplicable version of the sage's Izanagi, By Izanagi's own description as banbutsu souzou's practical application... which is why it can "create all things" simply by imagining something, then making that imagined thing real...
[QUOTE][QUOTE]No. Along with Tobi saying Danzou's version was incomplete [COLOR="Red"]and never saying why or why his version was somehow more complete,[/COLOR] there are no properties different between the two versions (except the duration, but it was explained why Danzou's version was longer and it doesn't really change anything in Izanagi's mechanism). And to be honest, Izanagi was already dumped by the plot by Izanami, I don't get what's its relevance in arguments anymore.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about??? The manga clearly says danzou's use of Izanagi was incomplete because he could not control hashirama's power....
You cannot argue it... the manga explained everything just fine... Some are just so stubborn to still state that the random banbutsu souzou is what created the bijuu despite the manga and every accurate translation saying that it is nothing but an impractical, inapplicable version of Izanagi... since Izanagi was explained as it's Practical application because what else could banbutsu souzou be if it truly is that...
And with the sage's Izanagi being able to bring Imagination to life... turning imagination into reality... Izanagi is capable of creating anything... and all things... including the bijuu... with the use of yin/yang chakra which is what Izanagi's said to use... Imagination, the basis of YIN.. and "bringing to life" is what YANG chakra actually does...
Just admit it...
The sage's Original Izanagi, Banbutsu Souzou's practical application, is the jutsu that created the bijuu and many other things through the use of the uchiha/YIN and senju/YANG power, as the manga explained...