Originally Posted by Numinous
If anyone is writing a retarded post, it sure ain't me, because I'm not foolish enough to berate people for actually doing further research and know what the fuck they're talking about.
No, I do not check every single word of the original Japanese because it's very time-consuming and I can only find chapters after 475, but if a particular speech is being used as a cornerstone of an argument, at least I check it out in the original to be sure it's actually there.
That's why I called you a frigging cheerleader for KYF, because you're copying his exact MO of not comprehending what's written and chastise others for knowing more than you.
So what if they thank me? That's a sign they agree with me, not that they're trying to belong to a clique or something. But if you're so offended by that fact, ask them for their own opinions on the matter.
Think for a fucking second. Where did Izanagi act different in its mechanism between the two users it had (Obito and Danzou)? The only thing that changes is duration, and that was already explained why it happens.
Why think that RS had a different version of Izanagi if it wasn't even said RS had Izanagi to begin with? Of course he could have and probably had, but the manga used the RS as how Izanagi came to be, not how the RS used Izanagi. It talked about it's Yin-Yang properties that had in common with its parental jutsu, Banbutsu Souzou.
The only way I can think of mistaking Izanagi has somehow different in RS is the "turn imagination into reality, that's Izanagi", but for fuck's sake, guys, that's purple prosing. It's the same as Amaterasu burning as hot as the sun or Susanoo summoning a deity in the databooks, they're just words to be there and stay pretty, because they do NOT correspond to how the jutsu actually work. You can't just take every single word as golden canon, you need to read and filter what actually makes sense and what actually contradicts what the manga has shown.
That's where I think you guys are flunking in this matter, you can't discern that Izanagi is used as a framing device when the RS is alluded and what's being said is actually what originated Izanagi, you just need to improve your reading comprehension and you'll see it's obvious as fuck.
Seriously? The "I'm entitled to my opinion" shit defense? It's like ACt was already expecting
that to be used recently, thank Cthulhu for his smarts. I won't respect an opinion if that opinion is wrong, simple as that.
- Doesn't want to be labeled as KYF's cheerleader.
- Calls KYF "my MAN".
- Paradox complete.
1. You're getting sillier by the post. When did I berate you for doing further research? I even said thank you but said however, I still think your research actually proves what me and Kyf are saying. Now why you can't comprehend that, is starting to concern me. Are you ok?
2. Cool, good for you and us for sharing that info. Like I said, I never heard of this Banzou... hence why I only relied on the medium I read Naruto in.
3. Grow up. Because I agree with your nemesis, in your deluded state of mind, you think I'm copying his MO. You lot clown Kyf at every given opportunity and by extension, you assume anyone who agrees with him, is also a 'dunce'. How about the idiots like Vengeance who agree with you? Are they copying your MO as well? This aint the only forum I'm on. I'm on Saiyan Island, Mangafox and One Manga, and I've posted my theories on opinions on the rinnegan and Izanagi, long before this lil debate. So while its convenient for you to label me a Kyf cheerleader because I agree with him, the fact remains, I formed these opinions myself a long time ago.
4. You're such a hypocrite. They agree with you because they share the same MO as you, according to your logic. Correct? No, you of course see it different. Those that thank you constantly are idiotic non entities who wanna cyber bully Kyf and his 'associates'. Lol, but you guys aint having it easy with me are you?
5. You think for a second. Did I say the Izanagi that Obito and Danzou used were vastly different? That's right, NO. I said, and maybe I should write it in capitals so you can understand, THE IZANAGI THE SAGE USED WAS DIFFERENT, JUST LIKE TOBI SAID. It was the original Izanagi, that is our whole argument
6. Like I said, I based this on what the Manga fucking said. The manga, said the Sage used Izanagi to create for fuck sakes. Are you gonna claim it never said that? I appreciate you finding the original translation, which still mentioned Izanagi(btw) but at the time, I was quoting directly from the manga.
7. Well that's your opinion isn't it? I never took everything the manga says literally, but if it goes out of its way to EXPLAIN the differences between the Izanagi the Sage used and the one Danzou and Tobi used, then that's what I'm gonna go with. Shit, ask yourself why the best translation we have so far, Mangastream, still say the Sage used the original Izanagi? Lol, you should write to them and berate them for this!
8. I think an intelligent guy like you(no sacarism intended) should know better and understand what the fuck your talking about. Your own fucking scan says Izanagi is an application of Banzou, yet you omit the Izanagi part in that sentence and conclude, the only Izanagi in the manga, is the kinjutsu of the Uchiha's.
9. Who cares if you respect my opinion. Do I seem like the type that cares what you and others think about me? Respect whatever you like, its called freedom mate. For example, I think you're intelligent and love the way you write. You don't have to care or respect that. You can and are calling me an idiot and that's cool because you are entitled to that opinion. Get it? Its not hard Num. I couldn't give to shits if you respect my opinion, regardless of what I think of you.
10. Lool first, you obviously chose to ignore the sarcasm in that statement. Secondly, I do lile Kyf, and you ironically. There is no paradox here. When Kyf talks shit, I point it out. When you talk shit, like you're doing now, I point it out. You call it a paradox, I call it consistency and intelligent reasoning. Try it sometimes. Next time Vengeance or your other groupies say something stupid, lets see if you'll have the conviction to point it out to them. Lol, somehow, I doubt you will.
@Vengeance: I destroyed you the last time we debated. Sure you wanna tango with me again? Come come now, we both know your my boy, my subordinate who wants to rebel. A prick like you should keep quiet and abuse weaklings lile Gamabunta. I read your posts and you're so cocky and dismissive of others, like your some don or something. Lol, YOU of all people, to me you're like the piece of thread that tears away from the seams of a rag cloth. You, I can squash ANY DAY in a debate/flaming. It aint even hard bro, you aint on my level. Please respond and bring it, I'm like Spain to you lil boy, and you, you're my Serbia Montenegro. Bitch....