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Old 10-19-2012, 01:22 PM   #97
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Re: Secret behind Obito's Kamui?

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Originally Posted by Numinous View Post
That arguments assumes Obito said the RS had Izanagi and used it. The thing is, the manga does not state that, the mistranslation does. I'll even quote the page with all the scanlation bits except the mistranslation, replacing it with the proper translation.
Both translations state it!!!

What about Izanagi was originally the practical application of "creation of all things".... That alone says that Izanagi is a useful, usable technique of creation itself...
Then by explanation, "the power to turn imagination (the power of YIN) into reality, bringing it to life (power of the YANG)" THAT IS IZANAGI!!!

It is so damn easy...

: the power of YIN/YANG is what created the bijuu...

: Izanagi is the power to bring Imagination (basis of YIN) to life (ability of YANG). thus obviously a YIN/YANG jutsu originally...

Put two and two together here...

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Based on this excerpt and this excerpt alone, where does it say Izanagi was used by the RS and that it created the Bijuu? Easy for anyone with reading comprehension, nowhere. It was said that Yin-Yang manipulation was what created the Bijuu and that Izanagi was derived from Banbutsu Souzou, which means "Creation of All Things", so the logical deduction is that the jutsu called "Creation of All Things" actually created the Bijuu, NOT a self-cast genjutsu that was derived from it.
Gee, IDK... Izanagi is the practical application of "creation of all things"... Can bring imagination to life... thus is a Yin/Yang jutsu... And Izanagi, the power of senju/yang and uchiha/Yin was said to of created many things... including the bijuu!!!!!!

So...

Izanagi is the power to bring imagination to life... as the practical appliation of "creation of all things"...

With the power of uchiha and senju... the sage CREATED MANY things... by applying IMAGINATION and spiritual energy, one create shape and form from nothingness... (casting genjutsu basically).
Then by applying life energy and physical energy, one can bring that imagined shape and form TO LIFE...

The bijuu were created from the yin/yang power as well...

So,

:the bijuu were created by Yin/yang power of the sage...
:Izanagi is the Sage's power to bring IMAGINATION to LIFE... which is what YIN/YANG jutsu does...
It makes the imagination real... Imagination is the power of YIN and bringing to life is what Yang power does...

So then what is the manga saying numious... Yes, Izanagi was originally a yin/yang jutsu (uchiha+senju's power) that created many things, including the bijuu... Unlike the uchiha's kinjutsu that only uses the power of YIN to make reality an illusion briefly... but can use YNAG to increase the time reality can be an illusion, but that is it...


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Sorry, only the mistranslation said what you claim the manga did. The original ONLY said that Izanagi is derived from RS' Banbutsu Souzou, nothing less, nothing more. If you still read in the original that Izanagi was used by the RS to create, you're reading what's not there.
The right trans never said it was derived from banbutsu souzou... YOU SAY THAT!!!

The manga says that Izanagi was originally the practical application of "creation of all things"...

In the context of ninjutsu/genjutsu techniques...

Practical: "Of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something." So if Izanagi was practical then banbutsu wasn't... thus banbutsu would have to be impractical if Izanagi is the practical version of it...

Impractical: "(of an object or course of action) Not adapted for use or action; not sensible or realistic: "impractical high heels".
Mean banbutsu couldn't do squat, much less create bijuu... It couldn't do anything if it is impractical...

Application: "the act of putting to a special use or purpose".
SO if Izanagi is an application of banbutsu souzou "creation of all things", in the context of a ninjutsu/genjutsu technique... It is creating all things including bijuu... Meanwhile banbutsu souzou must be inapplicable if it needs another technique to be it's application...

Inapplicable: " not capable of being applied or used"...
Meaning banbutsu zouzou couldn't do anything if it has no way to be applied or used... thus it could not of created the bijuu nor anything other then being a part of Izanagi...

SO that is it... in the context of ninjutsu/genjutsu techniques... Izanagi being the practical application of "creation of all things" means it is a useful, capable of being used and applied for the specific purpose of creating all things...

and that banbutsu souzou is just impractical and inapplicable if Izanagi is the version of it that is... meaning it cannot be used, is not useful and cannot be applied specifically... thus could not of created squat as I said before...

This is going by the manga itself and the proper translations!!! So it is as I and MU say...

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Again, you're assuming Obito actually said RS used Izanagi and it was different. He didn't, he only explained where it comes from in that controversial page.
obito explained he used the uchiha's fobidden jutsu Izanagi to survive konan's attack, then sai he would explain his technique to her since she was an ally...

SO he explained Izanagi was originally the practical application of the sage's creation of all things... The sage was once uchiha and senju in one person... and with boht clan and bloodlines in one, the sage used his power to create many things by applying Imagination and spiritual energy for the basis of YIN to create shape and form out of nothingness...
Then applying life energy and physical energy as the basis for YNAG to bring the shape and form to LIFE...
and the bijuu are a creation of the yin.yang jutsu as well...

Then to put it all together... He says... "a technique with the power to bring imagination to life, to turn imagination into reality... that is IZANAGI!!!"

making imagination real is the power of yin/yang jutsu... The basis of YIN is IMAGINATION (which creates shape and form from nothingness) and the ability of YANG is the power to BRING TO LIFE...
So tobito explains Izanagi as it originally was, a yin/yang jutsu aka power of the uchiha and senju, allowed him to create many things including the bijuu...


You are so wrong about everything it is said...

Rikudou sage is a religious man who creates ninjutsu and genjutsu thus uses those techniques... SO the context of using Izanagi and banbutsu souzou is in the context of using a ninjutsu/genjutsu technique...

And in that context, Izanagi as the practical application of banbutsu souzou means Izanagi is used as a useful, capable of being used/applied for a specific purpose which would have to be for creation of things, as banbutsu souzou's name says... So again, would mean banbutsu souzou by itself is impractical thus not useful, capable of being used... as well as inapplicable meaning it has not ability to be applied... thus cannot be used in any way as a ninjutsu/genjutsu technique while Izanagi is used as a ninjutsu/genjutsu technique version of banbutsu souzou...

and that is how it is, accept it... this is all repeating of what the manga is saying so you cannot complain about it being me...
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