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Old 11-28-2012, 12:26 AM   #12
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Re: The Nature energy Connection...

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Originally Posted by kael03 View Post
Even with the sharingan, Sasuke hasn't had time to learn Sage mode. Remember that the dealings with him is in the same timeframe and Naruto and company vs Obito/Madara/Juubi. Aside from the lack of time, what animal would Sasuke use? He has no ties to the snakes outside of Orochimaru, so he can't use Dragon mode. We've seen nothing about the hawks outside of the one that he summoned against Danzo. Also, there would be no point in Sasuke sharing an ability with his storied rival. He has EMS, Naruto has Kurama and Sage mode (which is time consuming to charge, I might add). The final fight between Sasuke and Naruto is going to be Susano'o vs Kurama mode. Sage mode won't work for that fight.
Sasuke was implanted with juugo's cells which should allow him to gather nature energy... And if he can control the power, he will become a dragon sage or not be able to merely become a berserker like juugo...

It's all a matter of sasuke figuring out the truth to realize what he could be capable of IMO... Then with Oro training and juugo's cells he will become a dragon sage like no other...

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2 things:
  • First, the Sage was never said to have used the Juubi while he was the Jink, only that he sealed it away in himself to save the planet. Until such a statement is made you are arguing from ignorance.
But it's common knowledge that the jink uses the power of the bijuu sealed within them... And the juubi naturally has a sharinnegan eye... and the sage had the same eyes, as the juubi's jink... Thus the power of the juubi is where the SG and RG come from... a power made of pure nature energy...

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  • Second, aside from Naruto there hasn't been a single descendant of the Sage that has shown the ability to use Sage mode. No one from the Uchiha, Senju, or any other Uzumaki has been said to use Nature chakra. Again, until such a statement is made you are arguing from ignorance.
i need a statement to have a case here? What about the obvious connection of the physical changes due to nature energy....

It's simple, I have a case with the simple fact that everyone who uses nature energy has a pupil change, pigmentation of the eyes or possibly even some other trade mark of that shows they are using such a power...

: Uchiha have a pupil change like every other sage does...

: Uzumaki have trademark red hair that changes when they exhaust their power... From red to white... The same way the uchiha's eyes change red to white when they over use them in mangekyou form...

: And the only powerful senju "hashirama" had trademark wood element that is earth and water combined.... Two energies that are part of nature's energy...

It's the simple fact that that power of the sage's descendants came from the juubi which is a nature energy creature, thus they are all using nature energy chakra which is why it is so special and powerful...

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He has also been called the Rikudou Hermit. People claiming to be sages are often hermits, to give them a better understanding of nature and their "gifts" by keeping themselves away from society as much as possible. Calling him a sage doesn't mean he has access to Nature chakra, only that he is a hermit that has an understanding of the world (he was the first to teach about chakra).
Hemit mode is the same as sage mode... It is nature energy chakra mode... You are using the actual meaning of the word hermit... but using the meaning of the word "sage" for this story when both words mean basically the same thing... a Sage is someone known for wisdom and understanding of the world too... But in this story, they are nature energy users...

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I never said it was something I couldn't see happening, only that it hasn't been said to have happened. Claiming that it's fact without evidence to back it up (see: a manga panel that explicitly states something along the lines of "The Sage was able to manipulate the Juubi's chakra and use Nature chakra") is fallacious.
Why are you so hung up on statements??? If that statement had been made then this would not be a theory, it would be cannon... You know things occur in the manga that foreshadow obvious outcomes... Just as edo madara being infused with hashirama's power allowed him to awaken the RG from the EMS made it obvious that uchiha+senju=RG and thus nagato had to of had madara's eyes to awaken the RG, or have it implanted...

The power of the sage and his descendants coming from the juubi is that obvious at this point in the manga... it is something that does not need to be stated because it is being implied so greatly that it is almost canon, just waiting for confirmation...

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Not everything that the sage passed on came from the Juubi. He had the Rinnegan before he confronted the Juubi. So dojutsus like the Sharingan (which is a step to obtaining the Rinnegan) can be tied back to the Sage himself. Chakra manipulation also came before the Juubi, as the Sage had to use chakra to create the seals used to contain the Juubi. There are at least two things that haven't been attributed to the Juubi, so your argument of "everything the sage passed on was from the Juubi" is false.
How do you know the sage had the RG before he confronted the juubi??? If that is true then why does the juubi have the sharinnegan???

Did you ever consider that the sage might of been a sage and sealed it using nature energy because chakra is said to of came from the juubi, not the sage...

And I was referring to the YIN nature chakra (spritual energy and imagination that allows one to create shape and form from nothingness... basically the SG powers)
and Yang nature chakra (powerful physical energy and life energy that allows one to brethe life into nonliving things; allowing for super chakra, super regeneration, bijuu suppression and long life... powerful bodies)
Coming from the juubi... Chakra manipulation is a physical skill with chakra that the sage first used... But chakra itself has already been confirmed to come from the juubi as it's progenitor...
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