Originally Posted by NeoKakarott023
Stop it with the darkness, really? The sharingan reads chakra, it dosen't need light, just like with Hyuugas. Remember when Sai walked into the room at Oro's hideout when Sasuke was in the dark, the inside of the Uchiha Shrine where he fought Itachi wasn't the brightest. C'mon Son, light can possibly blind a sharingan momentarily, but they can even see within Zabuza's Mist. Check sharingan stats again.
Secondly, NO SINGLE SHINOBI EVER DID SHIT TO A SUSANNO BY THEMSELVES IN THIS MANGA, NOT ONE. Sasuke survived Itachi's because he kinda died, Oro didn't survive Itachi's, Danzou didn't survive Sasukes.
IN OTHER battles with Susanno and MULTIPLE HIGH LEVEL SHINOBI, they were able to restrict and contain it to a certain degree, i.e. Sasuke vs. Gaara, Temari, Kankuro w/ Sasori, Raichu, and Darui; 5 Kages vs. Madara.
Lastly, you do the math, Tobirama's afinity, is water, on an epic scale.... Sasuke's is lighening, on near the same scale (he's produced the largest Nature Manupulated Jutsu in the manga, Kirin), which is faster. Yeah Tobi has T/S, I give that.... to stay on the run. The distance and precision Sasuke can attack with lightening, is retarded. You can come up with a scenario, I don't say its impossible, but with what you've offered so far, it dosen't fit well into the story, and ain't believeable... were to the end of the manga, everythings going to be done on a uber scale, like Snake Sage, nobody saw that coming.... water prison...? that is beneath anyone from THAT Chuunin Exam now, even Ten Ten.
Btw, Sasuke dosen't have to seal him, only restrict him if he can catch him outside of his T/S, whom can't be better than Obito who's an Uchiha IMHO. Sasuke managed to 'catch' Oro with Sharingan controlled shurikens, and usually uses that within his battles once a battle. At this point, is it possible to walk up to Oro, (whom stands little chance vs. Sasuke's genjutsu's, he's used Oro's own shit against him in the past when he wasn't even at the point where he is now) and turn off Edo Tensei.
What I meant by limiting the sharingan was that with an occular jutsu you have to see your opponent to hit them , so Ameterasu isn't something to use against the darkness jutsu. Sasuke would then have to rely on the sharingan's ability to see chakra as color the way he did against Deidara, but Tobirama knowing thsi could make a handfull of shadow or water clones to split his chakra across the battlefield making Sasuke unable to detect the real one.
Secondly in the kage fight Madara was taken out of his susanoo shield by one Gaara SA General.. he used his sand to go underneath madara and grab him by the leg makig a near hit possible for the rasenshuriken that was subsequently destroyed. Tobirama could do the same thing with some shape manipulated water so YES one ninja can get through the defences of susanoo
Lasly Tobirama's T/S portals act as a great defence. any lighning varient Sasuke can produce can get warped away and redirect right back ast sasuke.
As for the water prison you assume that I speak of the one Zabuza made in part one but you neglect the GIANT ass Mobile Water prison that kisame made that woudl be great to fill with the edo tensei soldiers, this takes away sasuke's lighning ability as well as his katon and I don't see his taijutsu holdign off 10 powerful shinobi that casn regenrate before he ends up running out of air and passing out at the feet of a triumphant Tobirama. Remember Giant ball rasengan and all those ball varients are still a rasengan , so just because someoen say's water prison dont think they automatically mena the little one.. if thats the case then konohamer's rasengan can stop an odama rasengan which we know isn't the case.
Originally Posted by Dagoro
When comparing 2 characters in strength you need to bring feats to the table. I see a lot of you using subjective shit.
All ther eis to use is subjective shit since we have zero battle records or fighting for Tobirama to base his feats on , only the fat that he was a Hokage , Oro stole his edo tech, Obito and minato's T/s were compared to his and so forth.
Like someoen said earlier based on his status and the little info that was provided .. those 20 bounty hunters could have all been elites , a Haku, Itachi, Dairu, kakashi, filled team of killers, but the fact that they took down a kage and hold a title of elite bounty hunter lets us know these dudes were badass just in the same manner we see the power of Madara and to knwo Hashi stood on par with his shit lets us know how powerful he is... so there is a speculative way of gaging power levels and abilities that have yet to be seen.