Lets bring it here for so we do nto spam up the other thread.
1).Base Minato Vs hashirama:
minato has all his abilities, toads summons, seals and I will give him a prediction of is new jutsu which the use of six Kage bushin to teleport instantly to six sides , in a ring aounrd the enemy and simultaneously hit the enemy with six rasengans.
And the technique is so fast the enemy cannot react as MInato put it.
Hashirama has all his abilities, mokuton, SM, ect.
In Konoha crater.
2). Base mInato Vs EMS Madara.
Same abilities for mInato as the first fight.
And Madara has his EMS abilities, fire jutsu, ect.
Minato beats hashirama because his speed is just too much. SInce all mInato has to do is TOUCH hashirama coupled with a Kunai being enough to kill hashirama because his regeneration is not the same level as tsunade's.
: Hashirama's jutsu are too slow to possibly hit mInato who not only has his kunai tags he throws out, but tags all over the fire country and other countries where he left his tags form other battles giving mInato a teleport area of defense the size of many countries.
: Hashirama is far too slow physically with speed and relfexes no batter then madara's who was not even able to compete against V1 raikage as seen here:
While mInato is able to easily way outperform V2 raikage with his level of reflexes to activate hiraishin so many times as well as physically move his body so many times in the INSTANT raikage V2 level to shushin just a couple feet. Which is crazy fast...
: ANd since a KUNAI is enough to Kill hashirama with his low level regeneration not near the same level as tsunade's as proven here by his attempted suicide...
Proof a KUNAI can kill hashirama making Minato's lack of super level destructive force irrelevant.
: Plus MInato's summons. 3 boss summons and 2 sage frogs able to use sage techniques of the highest level and frog song genjutsu able to bet an army of hashirama clones easily.
: Last but not least is the shiki fuujin whihc coupled with the hiraishin allows mInato to insatntly hit the enemy with the shiki fuujin hand to take their soul, making his shiski fuujin technique UNAVOIDABLE, thus instawin...
Not to mention the use of kage bushin which can fight for him, all having minato's every ability.
Without the ability to hit mInato with a single technique making all his high level techniques no more effective then a nerf gun.
Or being able to track much less defend against Minato's attacks to keep from getting tagged and thus get instantly killed by a Kunai blitz.
Beating by frog son after summon fukasaku and shima.
Or, if all else fails, Minato can kill hashirama with shiki fuujin by sacrificing himself so no one wins... Which is no necessary when minato's going to tag then kill hashirama with a Kunai blitz.
Minato wins due to his ability to nullify MS jutsu effectiveness as well as take away madara' control over the kyuubi with his contract breaking seal. Thus, the Kyuubi will attack madara helping minato.
: Minato has the ability to teleport away madara or perfect susanoo, thus able to attack madara directly with a kunai or rasengan blitz.
: Is too fast for amaterasu to possibly catch him if V2 raikage was too fast for amaterasu and minato>>>V2 raikage in speed.
: Due to hiraishin which allows mInato to move around so much making eye contact almost impossible, or if he is caught by a genjutsu.
All MInato has to do is teleport to another location taking away the control over his nervous system and chakra that the genjutsu user has, therefore regaining control over his nervous system and chakra to break the illusion.
: Fire jutsu are not going to work because he can use his time space barrier to send it back onto Madara. Or just avoid them...
: Frog son from the sage toads or 3 boss summons.
: Kage bushin to fight madara indirectly.
: If all else fails, minato can use his shiki fuujin which passes through susanoo being intangible and take madara' soul...
Minato's time space jutsu allow him to take away perfect susanoo, avoid amaterasu and break genjutsu coupled with seal breaking to take away kyuubi control to fight with him as well to use boss summons and sage forgs for frog sons and sage jutsu...
Minato has the ability to beat either one with his speed, time space jutsu coupled with his seals and summons. However, for sure will be able to have a draw using the shiki fuujin coupled with the hiraishin to instantly apply the reaper to take the soul of either hashirama or madara at the cost of his own life though.