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Old 09-27-2013, 11:02 AM   #96
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Re: Naruto 648

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Originally Posted by Numinous View Post
Except he didn't. All that Kishimoto said is that Nagato was both Uzumaki and Senju, not that Uzumaki are Senju and to say the latter is pure extrapolation.
He did not say that, where is that said? Kishi made nagato an Uzumaki who is a close blood relative, which happens to be the youger son of the sage, a.k.a the SENJU bloodline... And this was confirmed by kishi stating that nagto belonged to the SENJU/younger son of the sage's bloodline...

Showing that Uzumaki through nagato are actually senju... Just using a dofferent name, but is the same bloodline...Which is why they have the same abilities too..

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And you forget the parallelism is Older Son vs Younger Son, which Naruto would fit the bill nicely without being a Senju since he's already an Uzumaki.
And you forgot that the Elder son of the sage=Uchiha and younger son of the sage=senju... Not Uzumaki SO the parallel I presented is the same thing while you ignore the FACT that naruto has to be a SENJU to actually make the parallel accurate...
Which Kishi has doen through the ass pull of making Uzumaki=Senju... Just using a different name...

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How? Uzumaki and Senju are both related through a common ancestor and have cases of union (Nagato, one of Tsunade's parents, Tsunade herself and Nawaki), just like donkeys and horses are both related through a common ancestor and have cases of union (mule and hinny).
Because your comparing real world lineage of HORSES and DONKEYS, not even people LOL, compared to magical ninja powers gained from a tree that was passed on to the sage, tot he younger son, to create two separate clans with the same bloodline in each... How can you not realize the irrelevance of such a source of info as horses and donkeys...

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Just because you're too stupid/arrogant to understand/acknowledge an analogy that points out your own leap of logic doesn't entitle you to classify it as a fallacy that doesn't even fit the context.
Yea, keep telling yourself that, but using a source of info like HORSE and DONKEYS Lineage to try and explain magical ninja powers gained form a tree passed down from the sage to his younger son, who passed on the power to a single clan of the senju who became two separate clans for some reason, but are both the same bloodline...

Yea, I repeated myself, maybe then it will compute with yout although I doubt...

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In a straight up fight, then I most definitely agree. Although Tobirama has the most broken hax of a jutsu every made....edo tensei. So with a little setup, I can't see him losing against anybody, even madara. He need only summon up Hashirama and game over. Hell why not summon up Izuna while he's at it just to mind fuck Madara with the prospect of having to fight his little bro'.
Tobirama has never shown the ability to actually use edo tensai... Only confirmed to create it... And even if he could use edo tensai, from what we have heard about it, It would be such weak versions that they would be like genin level, thus not offer much help against people that are not at least the same strength as tobirama, thus average kage level...

And I am sorry, but tobirama with 100 genin level edo's+himself who could not even defeat 20 fodder shinobi to live... Much less escape using the FTG...>EMS Madara still...
Madara genjutsu rapes tobirama, forcing him to undo the ET and then kills him... easy as pie...

And the many people who can beat tobirama even if he can use his very weak versions of ET, but likely not more then one or two edo's... Besides EMS Madara...
: Minato uses his superior physical speed/reflexes plus many levels of hirashin to get to the edo, touch the eod's, break the contract so they no longer obey tobirama then Blitz tobirama in the confusion with FTG level 2...
: Itachi uses amaterasu to immobilize the edo's becuase as we saw with nagato, the burning of the blakc flames was doing more damage then the instant healing oculd keep up with thus eventually, the flames would render the edo's uses without the use of Shinrei tensai to blow the flames off of them...
At that point, itachi uses a simple genjutsu rape coupled with taijutsu move and the fight is over... Ain't no low level water jutsu, low level ET or low level hirashin going to stop him..
Then after tobirama is dead, itachi uses totsuka sword to seal away the edos...
: EMS sasuke could do just as well... Use amaterasu to immobilize the weak edos then use amaterasu on tobirama who is way to slow to avoid it... Although sasuke will need some assistance ot get rid of the edo's for good... Likely Juugo will absorb them like he can do living people...
: 4th raikage would beat tobirama faster then anyone lol... Would go V1 and blitz right past the edo's to strike tobirama down because he like his brother is no faster then madara physically who could not even compete against V1 raikage... and Madara had the SG to track and react to his movements too..
Although the raikage will need assistance sealing away the edos...
Deva real on his own could easily beat tobirama... Use a single bansho tenin to draw tobirama into a chakra rod to the chest, killing him... Then just blow then just have Human realm come soul seal the edo's to get rod of them...
: even Hiruzen could beat tobirama by using the shiki fuujin coupled with kage bushin to defeat the edos and tobirama in a single move... although it would kill hiruzen, too, just more evidence that tobirama is no greater then hiruzen... who is about average kage level..

CONCLUSION:
Tobirama is just not that strong, even as an edo he is just not that special... And I know next to a one armed Minato who can do nothing, but think about doing things to his former student yet does not have the heart to kill him... As well as sasuke not really trying very hard...
Edo tobirama seems strong, but he just is not that strong...

Living...
: Almost died against Kin and gin with the 2nd raikage's help fighting...
: Managed to land a mortal blow on Izuna, but he was using no MS jutsu at all... Looked like an ambush...
: Then died against 20 fodder cloud shinobi lol...
: Has zabuza level water jutsu, no actual use fo ET, but talk of being able to use a very weak version compared to oro and kabuto's as well as hirashin version 1, but only with direct physical contact, not Kunai tags for movements and can only teleport one thing at a time too...

Edo...
: Got one shoted by v1 imperfect Juubito... The level of attack Minato and his clone brushed off while busy focusing on the new jutsu...
: Was attacking v2 Juubito with hiraishin because Juubito was just standing their letting him, and still could not land an attack without the assistance of a one armed minato...

How is tobirama even considered more then average kage level like tsunade, hiruzen, ect... With such dismal feats and abilities?
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