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Old 10-09-2013, 12:57 PM   #77
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Re: Reverse situation...

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Originally Posted by The Special One View Post
For one, there's no evidence that Obtio has superior reflexes to Madara. Uchiha in general, especially those who have mastered the base sharingan have superb response times anyway, see Sasuke vs. Naruto II/Part 1. You are also drawing the conclusion about Obito having a superior reflex system to Madara, which has never been an area of interest in the manga. In my opinion, Madara, however, has a superior response time than Obito considering he's had decades more experience with fighting with mastered sharingan.
1). The sharingan does not=reflexes... Only increased perception to see fast movements, not the reflexes to react to them.... it's like you never even saw the fight between lee and sasuke for the first time... geez!

2). Edo madara could not even compete with V1 lightning armour raikage any better the CS2 Juugo could.. Only able to barely react to put up an arm for a defense because he lacks the reflexes to react fast enough to do more and the physical speed to do more as well... showing that V1 raikage's speed/reflexes>Madara's...


And even sasuke was able to see, react and even dodge V1 raikage's attack showing that madara reflexes/speed is not even sasuke's level...


But, Double hashirama clone body enhanced Obito=TOBITO that fought Minato, was able to keep up with minato physically and react just as fast as he... and Minato has V2 raikage level reflexes and physical speed... that when used with a shushin allows Minato to move 20 yards in an instant just disappearing then reappearing as shown here:

And yet tobito was able to keep up with all of that speed as shown in their fight... Able to keep up with V2 raikage level physical speed/reflexes and yet you think Madara's speed/reflexes<V1 raikage is faster...

Lol!!!! NO!!! Just no....


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Also, you realize Obito's Kamui isn't infallible. We've seen it countered by the likes of Konan and Danzou's subordinates. When Obito is pulling himself into and out of the other dimension, there is a brief time window to attack him because he has to solidify, it's not an instantaneous movement, and with someone who has such a wide scale of attack like the 1st, Obito could be caught pulling himself in and out to attack, especially if the 1st is using Sage Mode to sense the whereabouts of Obito. Also, Obito can't just remain intangible indefinitely, there's a time limit and if he wants to play the oh, he can't hit me game, he'll simply run out of chakra much faster than the 1st Hokage would.
LMAO, already been over this...

1). Konan had years of knowledge on Obito about his weakeness to his Kmaui hax... plus tons and tons of simulations to choose the perfect plan of attack to do as good as she did against Obito, not even TOBITO who is much faster/reactive, powerful, durable, ect...

And the root fools did nothing but get owned in seconds so how is that showing weakness..?

2). Obito has to solidify just his top upper body and head to draw you in as shown with torune who was sucked into kamui land while most of Obito was still in the ground intangible...
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-41585-1...apter-475.html

So Obito is not that vulnerable while sucking in things using kamui, he just was against perfectly timed paper bombs that Konan practiced many many times to work...
And you cannot compare what Konan can do to Obito, not even tobito with full knowledge of his weakness and after running many many simulations to perfectly take advantage of them...

While Hashirama will have no idea who Tobito even is, only sense his own chakra within him and see a SG too... And because Kamui is a all new MS jutsu and hashi has ONLY seen aand fought against amaterasu, tsukuyomi and susanoo, hashirama will be caught completely off gaurd by Kamui making the success of Tobito that much more likely...

3). Obito gives off NO CHAKRA Signature while intangible going under ground (becuase he is physically in another dimension remember) to sneak up on the enemy as well as can use the same tactic to avoid long lasting jutsu so his time limit will not even matter...

The ONLY reason he did not do this against Konan is because plot allowed him to fly for some reason and not be able to just slip into the ground below and move away as he pleased to avoid the attack just like he did the hachibi's whirlwind attack...

So no, the time limit which hashi doe snto evne know if wil make no differnce, sensing is impossible because tobito can go under ground and lose his signature completely while sneaking up on hashirama to pop out and suck him into kamuiland...

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No proof whatsoever... You can beat someone who has a faster response time than you. It's called planning ahead and using your surroundings to your advantage. Lee sure as shit was faster than Gaara and had a better response time than Gaara, yet still got his ass beat. And holy crap, you're still holding on to the idea that Madara let the 1st win to fool him? Madara obtaining the 1st's DNA was more or less on the to do list. For example, if my squad was tasked with seizing the enemy's stronghold, best believe in that mission, I'm also attempting to kill any all contact I receive at the base.
Gaara had sand armour and Lee's body tore itself apart... hashirama has no armour, only healing that is external at best and will not stop him being sucked into kamuland at all...
SO your analogy has nothing to do with this situation, thus false analogy fallacy...

And mark my words, madara does not confirm he can see through wood clones just to have been caught by one... It was some kind of set up, you watch...

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Minato's reflexes and foot speed weren't all that was used to get the jump on the Raikage since Minato is also implementing a space time technique, which uses no speed, but the manipulation of the space time continuum. Minato avoided Raikage, with FTG, he got the jump on the Raikage with FTG because of the kunai that was temporarily suspended in the air near Raikage. Do you think Minato could do all of that with his body flicker? No. It's his jutsu that gives him his name.
While it was the FTG that allowed minato to move to a tree and back within an instance of an instant, it was his reflexes and physical speed that allowed him to track what a Sg cannot even, react and physically move to throw up a kunai to use level 2 FTG, then react again to move to the tree, then react again to move back to the kunai he left in the air, then react and physically move to grab the kunai with both hands and then sense the tentacle coming, react and physically kick the raikage, react then move his body out of the way of the tentacle, react to and physically move to place a tag and then react and move to cut the tentacle in half os hard it created a small carter...

All of those many reactions from reflex and physical movements from physical speed in the time it took the V2 riakage to full speed shushin just a couple feet... Can you evne imagine how fast Minato's reflexes and physical speed is to do so much in such a an instant of a full speed shushin of only a couple feet from V2 raikage...

All shown here:


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That makes no sense. If you only need to make a short distance movement to evade an attack, why run 50 yards when you only need to move 1 yard? Why waste your energy on unnecessary actions?
You misinterpreted what i said obviously...

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Not going to bothered with everything else. My points were that Minato frequently uses FTG and that it is was used to beat Raikage's speed, Minato's foot speed nor his reflexes alone got him the jump on the Raikage, the 1st would slaughter Obito, Obito's reflexes being greater than Madara's is nothing short of an opinion and is an argument that shouldn't have even been introduced.
Wrong: without the same level of reflexes/physical speed if not greater... Mianto would not have been able to track what the SG could not, react and physically move to use the FTG level 2 and counter....

In the same sitution, tobirama with the FTG would hae lost his head becuase he does nt have near the reflexes to even see the attack coming much les react to activate the FTG to move away becuase without the highest of relfexes, the FTG is not that effective at all... you can still be hit by someone with quiker reflexes and physical speed...

WRONG: I have throughly proven that tobito's reflexes/speed>Edo Madara's easily by comparing the two's speed vs V1 abd V2 raikage level speed/reflexes... and Tobito was competing at V2 equaling minato in physical movements and reactions while edo Madara could not even barely react to barely move against V1 raikage...

So shut up about no proof because you are not willing to read the manga to find it...
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