Originally Posted by sabakunoGaara
lol back to long replies...and thanks for replying, I really am bursting to get my theory out to someone because I can't discuss it with my friends who are all purely anime watchers not manga readers lol, so thanks for making it interesing.
1- What I understood from your point is that we need more than one character in the anime to actually point out the fact that Ichigo and Kaien are similar. In this anime there are 2 who directly said it, and one who indicated it. First of all, Byakuya, when he fought Ichigo for the very first time in Ichigo's world. He was surprised that Rukia would "run to this child" and then he looks at him and says : "I understand Rukia, now I see. He DOES have a remarkable resemblence to him..." Ok true they never said who, but its VERY VERY obvious we are talking about Kaien because immediately after it they show Rukia feeling ashamed and sad. This just goes to show that she is remebering the person she used to admire so much which they showed us as Kaien. I don't really think its a deniable thing who they were talking about. So Byakuya clearly pointed it out and Rukia suggested it. The other person is Utikate. The time in the bridge when Hanatarou and Ganju rescued Rukia, Utikate appears and stops byakuya from killing anyone, and then Ichigo comes and Utikate feels the strong spiritual power and looks at him and sees him and is shocked, and Byakuya looks at him and tells him "Its not who you think it is." Since Utikate was Kaien's captain, he was probably the most shocked one. And this chapter is chapter 117 and sadly, its either translated wrong or the anime was translated wrong or they changed it in the anime, because although its not what he said in the manga it is in the anime. (ill check the eps later) So more than one characted did in fact show that there is a similarity.
3- I get what ur saying in this point, but thats just for telling us why byakuya didn't like the shiba family, but it doesn't explain why he keeps remebering Kaien when he talks to Ichigo...
4- Also here, yes its obviously coming from Isshin (the shinigami bloodline or wtv..sorry too much naruto) anyway, im just trying to say that although its Isshin responsible for passing down shinigami abilities to the kids its POSSIBLE now to say that this family was in fact related to another spiritual family. Im not saying they are or have to be but its 10 times more possible now since we found out that the father was a shinigami. also note another small, maybe insignificant, similarity in the 2 families...the eldest one is the only one who was able to become a shinigami while the other 2 in each family DO have spiritual powers but not shinigamis. Im not 100% sure of this but Kuukaku and Ganju are just spiritual with their own abilities, but not actual death gods, like Yuzu and Karin who COULD be like them if they were living in the other world.
But in the end, u do actually agree that they are related which comes out to be the whole point lol. Maybe we have different reasons for thinking it, but we think that Ichigo and Kaien are related somehow.
omg....it IS different! wow that completely changes the idea. which one is right do u think? I got my version from the bleachportal or bleach7 website...For some reason the one I read made more sense to me, but u never know lol
The episode is 41 - Reunion, Ichigo and Rukia it happens pretty late in the episode around the 17 minute mark if you are in a hurry.
Captain Ukitake Jyuushiro:
Byakuya...who is that?
Captain Kuchiki Byakuya:
Captain Kuchiki Byakuya:
At least, not to the man who just flashed through your mind, my senior.
He could be remembering Kaien because they look so much alike, which isn't really a stretch often times I think of someone else when talking to someone that looks like them. Unfortunately since neither one of us knows japanes we won't know for certain, we would need an unedited version to try and translate.