Rasenganja

Okay short and sweet.

So Madara had a substantial ammount of knowledge on the sage and his legacy what if on his deathbed Madara attempted to recreate himself but for one reason or another he could not complete the jutsu so he created a fragment of himself with "fragments of himself." if you will, im trying to say the person he created only possessed fragments of his power and memory but, still the same evil chakra and intentions like a virus downloaded to the world but it just didnt finish.

Hmm.. Break through,Bullshit or Bearable....

Senkradlol

Well, Tobi being a fragment/part of Madara has been circulating around here a lot.

How could he go about recreating himself?

Rasenganja

The same jutsu that created the bijuu.

bernzion

Tobi might be SASUKEEEE!

Tobi/Sasuke might be from the future!

Based off of pure speculations, don't you think that the one person that Tobi would allow to see his face would be himself? Granted, it is loosely implied that Itachi saw Tobi's face as well (for how could the Amaterasu technique that he implanted into Sasuke's eyes have
known when to activate, had the original owner not seen Tobi's Face?

Then Upon close examination of Tobi's war-fan, we see the seal for Heaven's
Curse Mark on page 9 of issue 564. http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/564/9 In this image, we clearly see the seal for Heaven's Curse Mark, as given to Sasuke by Orochimaru, on Tobi's war-fan. I'd glanced over this image three times previously before it caught my attention, because I subliminally saw three tomoe and assumed that it was simply a rudimentary Sharingan that Kishimoto decided to waste no time on.

Given the fact that we have seen so little about Sasuke's new Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan abilities, it is safe to assume that he, indeed, has new abilities. Furthermore, given that space/time techniques can arise out of the Mangekyo Sharingan (e.g. Kakashi's Kamui), it is not beyond reason to assume that Sasuke may have developed such techniques.

Who knows guys! hehe

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bernzion

That time with Kisame dunno maybe he did'nt recognize him at all cauze tobi/sasuke like I said he's from d future It would assume that he's an 40-50 yr old dude.

And also this one ninjutsu/doujutsu such as Kakashi's Kamui and Minato's Flying Thunder God have shown that it is possible to manipulate space within the Naruto Universe, it is safe to assume that time may be manipulated as well. If so, such a technique would most likely be born of a special kekkei-genkai such as the EMS. And we know he just only used Itachi's eye techs & redeveloped it and yeah a glimpse of his new technique that can swallow amaterasu...

Sasuke has does have the motivation to have traveled back in time. It is safe to say that Sasuke is hell-bent on restoring the Uchiha clan, or taking any steps necessary to make it flourish once again, even if once again may be in the past. Given Sasuke's demeanor, I would not put it past him to attempt to travel back in time and confront Madara in an attempt to prevent the Uchiha from joining the Senju clan in the founding of Konoha; one could even take this a few steps further and assume that our Sasuke (present in the past) may have been the one to have instigated the original incident which led to the feud between the Senju and Uchiha.

By using Kabuto's knowledge of medical and experimental ninjutsu, Sasuke may have had the tools necessary to become Tobi.

Take a look at what we have in Tobi's base of operations right now:
too freaking many white Zetsu clones, Yamato (who just so happens to possess the DNA of Hashirama Senju), and Kabuto (who is most likely the greatest medical ninja that the Naruto Universe has ever seen). Once we place the pieces of this puzzle together, we have presented Sasuke the ability to possess the DNA of a Senju, thereby giving him the ability to use Izanagi as Tobi, if he needs to. Now, this is personal speculation, but I believe that Madara Uchiha received the Rinnegan ONLY as the result of possessing the DNA of a Senju, which he has admitted he had received after their fight and used it. I believe that Sasuke/Tobi approached Madara and offered to infuse the Senju DNA with Madara's own, as he did with himself.

Offered as an Argument for This Case:

I'm sure that eventually everyone is going to ask: "If Rinnegan is a result of the fusion of Senju and Uchiha DNA within those in possession of the EMS, why doesn't Tobi have it from the get-go?"

It's simple: Sasuke did not have access to PURE Senju DNA; he merely had access to the bastardized strain present within Yamato. It can be seen even in the use of wood-style abilities: Yamato just doesn't possess purely Senju
DNA, which explain why his wood-style jutsu appears in the form of blocks as opposed to Hashirama's, whose jutsu appeared more aesthetically natural.

Contributing to this theory: Tobi is never seen using wood-style, but he makes it quite clear to Konan that he possesses the DNA of a Senju as he is explaining Izanagi; also, when seen using wood-style, Madara has a form closer to Hashirama's, as opposed to Yamato's "blocky" style.

Also, I believe that Kabuto possesses more knowledge concerning
immortality than he lets on (He wants to know badly about immortality & beyond in the Naruto universe blah blah).... Think about Orochimaru
wanted an Uchiha body, correct? Why not take one before and be the most unstoppable ninja with Sharingan? The answer is simple: he could not sustain the body...yet.... I believe that Orochimaru's time spent with the Akatsuki was used, among other reasons, to study Hidan, the natural immortal and Pain (Rinnegan).


Tobi assumed the guise of Madara during the current Shinobi World Warnot only to rally his opponents to arms, but also because, in the event of his mask being removed, he could claim that he was Madara (since Sasuke and Madara share near impeccable facial resemblance and almost the same Motivations).

Also about Shisui, a little disagree with it mate... cuz when Itachi met Tobi. Tobi is more like Madara or Raditz or a long haired jet blue haired Sasuke. (I forgot that panel sorry ^^).

And yeah I got bothered when Edo Itachi said that Tobi knew all about him...


Just don't take it seriously guys..

BTW I'm amuzed with all the reactions ^^

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Vishnu

You have a flaw in that little theory. How can Future Sasuke and present Sasuke exists at the same moment in the same time? It's a paradox dude. Also if he is indeed from the future, then i don't see the point of traveling back in time. If he got in the future to a state where he would traveled back in time, it means that none of his actions in the present time will lead to a different future. Because if that would happen it would change the course of the future and thus he won't be able/ he won't need to travel back in time. Thus if he doesn't goes back in time he cannot affect the time flow. It would be just a circle of the same actions. I don't see the logic. It would be possible if you look at it from a multiverse perspective. Something like: everytime he does something in the present that changes the way it was, he is actually transported without knowing in a paralel universe where the scenery would converge to the change. Another paradox, i know. It's like the one about killing your grandfather.

But I would like to see how Kishi pulls out of his ass something like this.

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Pfft.



Kisame says Hi.

Because it reacted to his sharingan not his face.

Uh, no..we don't.

You should have stuck with your gut, it's nothing more than than the three tomoe design. As seen here:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._Sharingan.jpg

Now notice, how incomplete the so called "seal" on the fan looks.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1...-seal-mark.jpg

So what you're saying is because kakashi can port shit to other dimensions it means sasuke should be able to achieve time travel? Yeah..ok.

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k-lai

Well given the situation at hand of late it's not farfetched for sasuke to unlock a T/S jutsu out of his ass cos trust it's coming just like rainbow fag is on his way to dabble in his fathers signature jutsu...

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Konnaha_yellow_flash

Tobi is shisui who is a senju/uchiha hybrid somehow. Oro and danzous experiment or shisui was born a hyrid with hashirams chakra. So shisui=tobi, but has the awesome power of the uchiha taken over tobi making him not someone, but something? If Tobis power has taken him over then shisui is the juubi.....

I also still wonder if madara just used shisuis body to implant his true SG power with the Izanagi jutsu (or banbutsu souzou perhaps) like the sage once did so the body could carry on his legacy, but as I said the power took over the body and madara is no longer in control. The juubi is.......

Thats way too much, but somewhere in there somethings going to fit into the story IMO.

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Gamabunta

Dude you will never make sense, Shisui will never be tobi if you already read and consider this.

krurk

Tobi has a better chance of being Sasuke from the future instead of Shisui.

And I don't know why people think Tobi is a fragment of Madara, they have nothing close to the same techniques, it doesn't make sense.

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2. Part Two started off alright, it introduced new characters and it continued to show the same potential, honestly, the story had a lot of promise up until the Pain Arc.

3. Pain Arc occurs and all Leaf ninja are revived after they were slaughtered, this started the failing of Kishi because he won't kill off main charcters.

4. Kage Summit was a tad disappointing simply because we didn't see any of the charcters that SHOULD have been introduced during the chuunin exams.

5. The War has been epicly disappointing because Kishi is killing off Edo's in a matter of one chapter when each edo (Kages, Swordsman, Nagato and Itachi) when they should get around 4 or 5 chapters of dedication.

Kishi started cutting the story shorter, his chapters have gotten shorter from 21 pages to 17 per week,

Now if you don't like this reasoning, you can simply go to another forum.

Emissary of Justice

This times a motherfuckin' million. I said this even before we saw Madara fight. Tobi fights like a bitch ass motherfucker with a one trick pony (pre-Rinnegan), not like a bad ass Uchiha.

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Human Rasengan

not to nit pick but using your own links this - http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._Sharingan.jpg is a sharingan and this is the curse seal mark http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1...-seal-mark.jpg both are complete.. but you do have a point in the image on the Gunbai being nothing more than a Sharingan image.. all anyone would have to do is examine the images curse seals if given a rotating property would rotate clockwise while the Sharingan would have a counter clockwise rotation

so when Madara was about to die he in his las gasp of energy jizzed on the ground and with Zetsu being the earht itself got all hot n bothered and sprouted a Mandrake that it later was fed milk blood and honey and became the homunculus Tobi that is here to protect the rel Madara.. but without him around Tobi began fulfilling his dying wishes..

Damn I started this as a poke fun kinda thing but damn this kinda makes sense. in a fucked up sort of way.

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almightywood

I also believe that Tobi and Madara are one and the same.

Tobi had knowledge of Madara awakening the Rinnegan, he kept saying 'I was the second sage of the 6 paths.' He called Nagato the 3rd. It only makes sense he was referring to the Rinnegan, since Nagato didn't have DNA transplants, so was not the younger and elder son combined.

He also claimed that Nagato's Rinnegan used to be his. Nagato never being shown with eyes other than Rinnegan lends support here, since transplanted dojutsu tend to remain in an active state.

Tobi claimed to have given the Rinnegan to Nagato.
Madara mentions Nagato upon ressurection, so met him either before death, or through a failed resurrection by Nagato.


In short Tobi had access to a fount of information that only should have been available to Madara.

My theory goes something like:
Having awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death he realized he had neither the vitality, nor the power to realize his goal, which was to become the second sage of the six paths, and bring peace to the shinobi world. Madara cloned himself into a body fashioned from the first hokage's cells. He used a shikki fuin to create a strong, lasting seal on the fashioned body. This was doubly effective, as it caused his body to remain in a youthful state, while allowing his will to live on.

His clone had instructions to take his eyes and pass them onto someone youthful, so they would have plenty of time to grow into their powers and be capable of resurrecting him.

He furthermore was to go about collecting the tailed beasts so that the juubi was usable when Madara would be revived.

To aid his clone and ensure his survival he was given three powers: immaterialism, and teleportation through the Rinnegan, and a sharingan to control tailed beasts and people.

Tobi is nothing more than a Madara jinchuriki, once the chakras that have been sealed into him get used up he will fade just like Minato did from Naruto. Minato sealed his ability to control tailed beasts and people, so all he has left are the immaterialism and telportation. Luckily these are generic jutsus, and can be used with the chakras generated from the fashioned body.



A lot of this has been stolen from other people's theories, there are a few additions of my own though.

Human Rasengan

I dont liek the Idea of Tobi and Madara being one and the same but this is a pretty convincing argument and in light of recent words of Tobi ti woudl make the whole I am no one speech more meaningful!

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for those of you who don't understand.. I'm coming from an illogical perspective so your logic won't fit my argument .. it'll only give you a headache.. remember ..belief doesn't require a co-signer There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity , I Have Erased This Line ! If I were you I'd hate me too.. I am the HUMAN RASENGAN!!!

The power of despair is great in you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlzx4...&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qkz4WfOto

LOL I'M DYING BACK HERE