kluang

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2448751.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcvY0...layer_embedded

CEO: Obama is wrong about gun owners we're responsible good natured people
Ill prove him wrong by threatening a mass death

There is absolutely NO FLAWS in his logic.

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Mal

Yeah, that's totally not at all how the US government was intended to function.

Vengeance

Can't you get arrested for that?

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jekyl_hyde

1. *Face palm*
2. *Shakes head*
3. If the gov't does manage to pass legislation banning the majority of guns, all chaos will break loose. There will be a civil war... but it will be the U.S. vs. various factions.

@veng
Not entirely sure how that law is now, but I know that it used to be that if you threatened a specific person, that was illegal, and action could be taken (unfortunately, it starts out with a restraining order and must work it's way up through the escalation process usually).

Vengeance

Dude publicly threatened to start killing people. If he actually goes through with it the government would look like incompetent jackasses since they clearly would have dropped the ball on that one. It's not even like you can say the dude was joking around as he was deadly serious.

At the very least that nut job SHOULD have his guns taken away.

Edit: Pack your bags part two http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...d-army?ref=fpa

Unless its necessary... really now I mean really...

Back peddling http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2460452.html

"If somebody comes to take my guns I will shoot them" LMAO

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Numinous

Humm, no, it'd be a bunch of disorganized fools vs the US military and we all know who would win.

And those nincompoops should know by now that gun control isn't banning guns altogether, only those who shouldn't be in civil hands to begin with.

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kael03

You highly underestimate the idiocy of the people being fed crap from fox news. They seem to think the "gun control" crap is forcing all guns to be given up. The majority of my family is included in this (I seem to be the only democrat in my family and the only one to ignore republican propaganda).

Numinous

Now is my turn to say 'Murrica. And not only because of silly Republicans and Fox News, but for the fact Fox News didn't budge an inch from the the Petraeus hypothetical campaign funding scandal. Were this to happen this side of the Atlantic and, oh boy, the other news networks wouldn't rest until the goddamn channel was shut down if the highest court available wouldn't drop a cease and desist on the channel first.

But back on topic, I feel you for being the outcast in your family, kael. But to be honest, why the fuck can't some people think for a second that not all guns are banned, or else it'd be known hunting would be illegal? It's just common sense that yes, you can have your handgun for protection and perhaps an hunting rifle for a fun weekend, but why have (semi-)automatic firearms with bafflingly large magazines? What, that rabbit ain't dead after shooting 20 bullets at it in a couple of seconds?

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OG

if he can easily start killing people over this, he does not deserve the right to own a gun.

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Vengeance

I'm all for the right to bare arms however there is a line between weapons used for self defense/hunting and weapons capable of mowing down highly populated areas in a manor of seconds.

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jekyl_hyde

I agree whole-heartedly with your statement. I actually don't have a problem with certain assault rifles being owned (as long as people follow the proper protocols). I do think there should be some legislation and enforcement against high capacity magazines (any magazine/drum that can hold 50+ rounds is too much for a civilian).



If you want to know why the NRA is up in arms about this, all you have to do is go back to Bill Clinton and when his administration attemtped to have the strictest guns laws put in place (at that time). If you do your proper research, you will also hear that the NRA thinks there needs to be some gun laws, like the ones that are already in place. They just need to be enforced. If the laws that are in place were enforced, several of these public shootings may not have happened. Also, what has been proposed takes the authority out of the local and state governments and hands it over to the federal government. That is why there is a huge outcry. Ever heard the saying, give 'em an inch and they take a mile? Need we bring up the Patriot Act?

Just remember, criminals don't obey laws, hence why they are criminals.

@Numinous
Just so you know, the military supported Republican candidates 3:1 at the primary level. Many don't support Obama now that he has cut the defensive budget that pertains to the veterans themselves, not defensive weapons (i.e. anti-missile systems and what not).

Numinous

Absolute bullshit. Much like the Republicans were once the guys with a semblance of dignity and freed the slaves, there was a time when the NRA was for gun control but it isn't anymore for many years. If you do really proper research, you'd know the NRA is supporting various firearm producers and even said that the firearm industry struggle is the NRA struggle:


And like this piece of information, you'll find many more about the NRA being much more preoccupied with firearm profit rather than control, so it's preposterous and almost naive to say they just want the gun control laws to be enforced.

Then they're pussies. There have been so many issues that have been taken from state level to federal level: ban of slavery, women's rights, racial rights, legalization of homosexuality, etc. Gun control, in my humble opinion, should too be a federal issue.

What the flying fuck has the Patriot Act have to do with this? There's nothing on that Act that addresses shootings or gun control, unless you want to amend it so "domestic terrorism" includes single persons, which it does not at the moment.

But many wouldn't be criminals if effective gun control laws and enforcement were placed. Now that's what this whole issue is about.

Color me surprised that the US military can express their political inclinations, because the Portuguese military are strictly forbidden of doing so under the penalty of being sued or even expelled from the military forces they serve. That's because the military are to serve the Government and the people it represents, not their political preferences and I'm pretty sure the US military aren't immune to that duty.

So what if the military have a Republican inclination? If a Democratic government orders them to nullify a domestic terrorism cell (which is ironically what the "NRA army" would be considered under the Patriot Act), the military is obliged to do as told, because the "NRA army", if it were to happen, would threaten both the Government and the US citizens.

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jekyl_hyde

I expected such coming from a self-proclaimed left-leaner.

Funny, how the NRA heads have been quoted by the Washington Post, NY Times, FoxNews, CNN, Headline News... on and on... as saying they are in favor of gun laws. Num, I respect you as a fiction writer, but get your head out of the liberal agenda and do some fucking research... that doesn't come from a source that has a liberal agenda.

It's the whole fucking reason why people don't want the fucking federal government to have authority over gun control. Many people supported the Patriot Act at the time it was created, because of the fear brought on by the 9/11 attacks (which we won't get into the conspiracy theories there, because good God, there are plenty to go around). The American people supported legislation, that in this very moment, many would not. Do you think the average American, especially those that own guns, legally mind you, are going to allow the federal government, that has basically fucked up everything it touches, have the authority over whether or not a civilian can defend him/herself. You're out of your fucking mind.

And coming from one of the resident supposed geniuses, I figured you would have been able to connect the dots, but damn. Do I have to connect the dots for you? Do you not see the parellels between the Patriot Act and the building points for this "new" legislation that Obama, Biden, and the Democrats are pushing for? Only difference, one was pushed by red, the other is being pushed by blue.

Seriously, you just proved how naive you are.

I thought you would know that, seeing how you know so damn much about the U.S. and it's government and policies. You're just a liberal tool, that is all you are. Hell, I know dozens of Democrats that I call friends that don't want the government touching this issue. Big difference between you and them, they are U.S. citizens. You're not.

LonelyNinja

Will be people be uncomfortable? Yes. Will there be a Civil War? No. Why? Most Americans don't really give a shit one way or another about banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's just like any other politically-charged issue in this country, where we only hear the most vocal minority (italicized for emphasis) regarding a topic. For example, the majority of Americans are actually in favor of same-sex marriage. However, anyone who pays attention to the news (especially if foreigners are looking at us) will notice that there are more articles and pieces about same-sex marriage protests and anti-gay sentiment than there are of people saying, "Sure, let the gays marry and/or adopt." So just because the NRA and select lunatics individuals or groups are up-in-arms about the whole thing doesn't mean that everyone is rallying to protect guns.

In fact, a lot of people around the country are turning in their guns, even ones that are legal to own and wouldn't be banned following any of the Obama administration's proposals. But you are right in that there will be probably be violent retaliations to strengthening gun control laws. It just won't result in a severe schism of the country, just pockets of resistance, particularly in the South and Midwest.
Technically, it wouldn't be the main American military, since our Constitution bans the use of the Army, Air Force, Navy, or CIA from operating on domestic soil. It'd still be local police, FBI, and the National Guard, but still. BUT STILL!

I'm an Independent who thinks that there should be more government involvement in gun regulation/control. But that doesn't mean I'm afraid of guns, nor does it mean that I don't want to own assault rifles and high-capacity magazines at some point in my life (because fuck yeah, BARs and 100+ round magazines!). Just because he's not an American doesn't mean he is somehow less knowledgeable about the topic. Hell, we're on a forum about Japanese comics, but we're all in the loop about Japanese culture and manga/anime norms. It's actually a good thing to get an outside perspective precisely because it allows Americans to pull our heads out of our collective ass and rethink our positions on a topic.

The only reason people say enforcement is better than more laws is because there's a lack of police officers, ATF agents, etc. If we wanted better enforcement, then these agencies should be hiring more people. As the case is, many of these agencies aren't, at least where I live. Also, enforcing the rather convoluted state laws drains resources. We don't have dozens of police officers patrolling gun auctions and conventions, which is where most of mainstream illegal purchases occur (black market is a whole 'nother issue). We should, but we don't have the manpower or the resources. Federal laws will make it easier to enforce because now all of our states' police agencies will be on the same page regarding the issues.

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kael03

Because I'm on my phone and don't feel like trying to erase most of the bullshit to get to what I wanted to quote, I'll say this. Jekyl, you claim that there are several news sources that quote BRA heads in favor of gun control. I have 2 simple words for you:

Prove it.