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Old 01-29-2010, 07:23 PM   #1
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I must comment on this . . .

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god is dead - friedrich nietzsche
Nietzsche was probably saying that the concept of god was dead, or that it's death was inevitable. At the time atheist philosophy and anti-theist philosophy was becoming more popular. Also, when he says "god is dead" he is also saying that absolutes were dieing. An epistemological skeptic, Nietzsche criticized science and its method of acquiring "proof." He also attacked that moralities of that time which were what he termed, "master-slave" moralities. In that sense, the absolutes formed within morality, such as altruism, were dead.

Nietzsche probably wasn't at all trying to make a comment on God's existence. The madman had more of a warning/pseudo-lament feel to what he said.
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God is dead, and no-one cares. If there is a Hell, I'll see you there.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:04 PM   #6
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Re: I must comment on this . . .

i know what friedrich nietzsche wrote and meant, but i don't give a fuck about religion.
so, for my concern, god is dead or better, never excisted in the first place...
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Re: I must comment on this . . .

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i know what friedrich nietzsche wrote and meant, but i don't give a fuck about religion.
so, for my concern, god is dead or better, never excisted in the first place...
are you illiterate?
because RNB very planely stated friedrich's point and meaning, which isn't really saying anything about you and your beliefs.
So when discussing his ideologies and ideas, which aren't at about religion, but instead about the idea of absolutes, why bring up that you don't care about religion
and if you don't care about religion, why be so passionate in yoru response?
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:03 PM   #8
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i know what friedrich nietzsche wrote and meant, but i don't give a fuck about religion.
so, for my concern, god is dead or better, never excisted in the first place...
People have twisted Nietzsche's writings to put forth their own agenda all throughout history. Quoting Nietzsche was pretty useless in that circumstance and only further leads people to think that he was all about anti-god. He was much more anti-certainty. It undermines the quote when you use it simply to express your anti-religion sentiments. On top of that you used a philosopher who's words have been used to commit atrocities.

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I'm disinterested in this argument and I know that it's in inverted commas, but I have to say that every time someone says that science gathers proof or can prove things every scientist dies inside.
Maybe I chose the wrong word, but what I meant is that science tries to find concretes and claims to have them. With those concretes we build skyscrapers. Without them we live in the jungle as hunter-gatherers.

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but then i still thought RNB was the only one who thought i was illiterate :>
I never said, nor implied that you were illiterate.
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:28 PM   #9
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Re: I must comment on this . . .

just had that impression, no big ^^

and about nietzsche's phrase being misinterepreted many times through history; yes, that's right, and i did nothing else. i used that phrase to imply my religious beliefs and also to answer to a stupid adbotthread, which is silly in some way i suppose ^^
nietzsche pusblished that theory in the time of the european nihilism and thus wanted to show the people of this time, that they lost the christian values and the moral behind christianity. and with these moral or values died "god".

still, i often, and to my shame perhaps, use this term with pleasure, because i know i can upset religious people as well as some stuck up smartasses :> (no insult to you, i like your way of arguing and discussing, but some people i know are that stuck up...)

so, i think this is settled...
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:47 PM   #10
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People have twisted Nietzsche's writings to put forth their own agenda all throughout history. Quoting Nietzsche was pretty useless in that circumstance and only further leads people to think that he was all about anti-god. He was much more anti-certainty. It undermines the quote when you use it simply to express your anti-religion sentiments. On top of that you used a philosopher who's words have been used to commit atrocities
Uhhhh...what?


The original post in this thread was quoting what he said in another thread. In that thread, he didn't twist Nietzsche writings (It was a direct quote...), nor would it have further lead people to think Nietzsche was all about anti-god. And if it did, then it'd be those people's fault for being stupid and making stupid assumptions.

Like, it'd be stupid to assume someone was "all about" something based on one quote. It's also pretty stupid to get on some dude's case based on the assumption that people would make stupid assumptions about Nietzsche based on a single quote...

Also, in the original thread, he expressed no personal anti-religious sentiments. And in this thread, he didn't use the quote to do so either.

And what the philosopher's words have been used for in the past has no relevance what-so-ever. If anything, you should be bitching about Nietzsche's poor choice of wording. He should have just said exactly what he meant if he was trying to get across a particular philosophical point. Saying "God is dead" when you mean "recent developments in modern science and the increasing secularization of European society [during Nietzsche's time] had effectively 'killed' the Christian God, who had served as the basis for meaning and value in the West for more than a thousand years, lololololol" is pretty stupid and just asking for misinterpretations.


tl;dr= Quit being such a fag, old man.



Edit: Nerox isn't the smartest dude ever or anything, to put it nicely, though. So if you're going to rag on him for that then cool.
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Old 01-30-2010, 02:10 PM   #11
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And what the philosopher's words have been used for in the past has no relevance what-so-ever. If anything, you should be bitching about Nietzsche's poor choice of wording. He should have just said exactly what he meant if he was trying to get across a particular philosophical point. Saying "God is dead" when you mean "recent developments in modern science and the increasing secularization of European society [during Nietzsche's time] had effectively 'killed' the Christian God, who had served as the basis for meaning and value in the West for more than a thousand years, lololololol" is pretty stupid and just asking for misinterpretations.
Hm, kinda true.

You can pull all kinds of assumptions when you read "God is dead".

For example, someone might take it literally, while others may look for a hidden meaning...and guess what, they will still come to a wrong conclusion. Let's say that I think that what he wanted to tell us is that even thought believers are all around him, they still do not obey his laws, and he (god) still does nothing. So he must be dead.

That's an example of how someone might take it. And who is to say who is right or wrong? Sure, 90% are total dumbshits with their interpretations, but who cares. It's not like there is a philosopher who is completely right or wrong. Just think of your own theory or the way you see it.

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Edit: Nerox isn't the smartest dude ever or anything, to put it nicely, though. So if you're going to rag on him for that then cool.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:47 PM   #13
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And what the philosopher's words have been used for in the past has no relevance what-so-ever. If anything, you should be bitching about Nietzsche's poor choice of wording. He should have just said exactly what he meant if he was trying to get across a particular philosophical point. Saying "God is dead" when you mean "recent developments in modern science and the increasing secularization of European society [during Nietzsche's time] had effectively 'killed' the Christian God, who had served as the basis for meaning and value in the West for more than a thousand years, lololololol" is pretty stupid and just asking for misinterpretations.
People probably would not have cared about Nietzsche without his use of hyperbole. Don't ask me for the source because I am not sure, but I think it may be from a documentary called Human, All Too Human.
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^ I'm with this prick.
Atleast i'll know some people when i get there....
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Re: I must comment on this . . .

I think that Nerox guy posted the quote in RNB's post somewhere recently, using it as a response to a person (Adbot) wishing it was god. Which sorta explains his post in here.

Also, it is true that Nietzsche was not being literal in that quote. He wasn't saying that God existed, but is now dead. He was referring to the concept or belief in a divine being that was a basis of morality and knowledge for hundreds of years (via religion), and that it was/will be eroded away by rationality and science.

That doesn't mean the phrase itself is making no statement regarding the existence of God. Nietzche himself did not believe in God as an actual being, he considered God to exist purely as a concept. Which would explain the wording of the quote pretty well, actually. So, using that logic, the quote implied that God as a divine being does not exist, as well as the concept of God is on the way out.

tl;dr=Nietzche is meh.

Also, I don't know why you guys are talking about gathering up in the fiery underworld. We'll be all meeting up at the courtyard in Valhalla, greeting each other with axe and sword! Then we shall feast on pork and mead served to us in the great hall by beautiful valkyries. All to hone our skills and await the day we don our war-gear and aid the all-father in his battle against the great wolf during the ragnarok. It shall be glorious, comrades!
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