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Old 06-19-2007, 09:28 PM   #1
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ManHunt 2 for Wii gets an AO rating and the game is banned in UK and Ireland

The BBFC has announced that the bleak imagery and ruthless violence in Manhunt 2 is far too disturbing for the British public, and has therefore banned the sale of the game within the U.K.
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In a landmark decision representing the U.K.'s first video game ban since 1997, the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has rejected Manhunt 2 for both PS2 and Wii, which now makes it illegal to sell the game within the borders of the country. A final decision on the PSP version of the game has not yet been made, although it is also not likely to make it past the classification process. The BBFC's decision was based heavily on the game's bleak atmosphere and its tendency to encourage mindless slaughter.

"Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly," said BBFC director David Cooke. "Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game."

While the original Manhunt game was classified "18" back in 2003, Cooke lists a number of differences in the sequel that support the ban, including the game's "sheer lack of alternative pleasures", the "different overall narrative context", and the game's "unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying". Of course, the original Manhunt's "18" rating was given before the BBFC's scientific research on games and behavior was completed, although Cooke also notes that it was "already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable".

Rockstar Games has not yet had a chance to comment on the ruling, although, under the terms of the U.K.'s Video Recordings Act, the publisher has an opportunity to appeal the BBFC's decision. The ban on the 1997 title Carmageddon, the only other video game to be rejected by the BBFC, was eventually overturned after an appeal by the Video Appeals Committee
-taken from gamespy.......

The game was banned in the UK for both the Wii and the PS2 version but the Wii version gets an AO rating from ESRB.

The game has a lot of ruthless torture and violence in the game now to the point where is has an AO rating. One thing you can do in the game is

ONLY READ IF YOU ARE NOT OFFEND BY DISCRIPTIONS OF VIOLENCE

You use the Wiimote and Nunchuck as pliers and you get to rip a man's testicles off to torture him.


Rockstar games is disapointed that it got an AO rating and is really bummed out.

How do you feel about this game getting an AO rating here in the US and it being banned in UK and Ireland?........

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/19/b...-only-by-esrb/
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Old 06-19-2007, 09:35 PM   #2
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Damn, I gotta get this game. <.<
I always think it's stupid when a game gets entirely banned in a country. I mean, that's not really going to stop anyone from getting their hands on it, one way or another. As for the AO rating, I haven't seen an AO rated game before (well, not to my knowledge) so it's something new. I'm just surprised it's for the Wii, but nice way to utilize the Wiimote/Nunchuck.
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wow this is why america rules im not saying anything bad but its just that i dont think a video game has ever ben banned in american, that i know of
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Old 06-19-2007, 09:46 PM   #4
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wow this is why america rules im not saying anything bad but its just that i dont think a video game has ever ben banned in american, that i know of
It's because we have freedom of press. Someone could make the most vulgar, violent, sex-driven game in the history of gaming and it could still be published in America.
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Re: ManHunt 2 for Wii gets an AO rating and the game is banned in UK and Ireland

AO rating means you have to be 18+ instead of 17+ and also most retailers refuse to sell AO games(i.e.Walmart, Target, Circuit City, EBgames, Gamestop, etc)

Getting an AO rating is like getting a kiss of death for a game because since most retailers refuse to sell them, the game sells very poorly and most of the time ends up doing bad.

There is only 23 games to ever get an AO rating. 21 of them were PC games.....

Also freedom of Speech protects the rights of videogames.

Nintendo said they refuse to sell an AO game on their system in their policy statement but even if they don't change the policy for their company, Rockstar has the legal rights to release it but it won't have a nintendo's official seal of approval on it.
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That is seriously messed up stuff in the spoiler tag there. I thought the first manhunt game wreaked of torture and voilence and extreme gore. This one is probably one of the most brutal games you could possibly imagine, the stalking and brutal killing seems to be true, since the first Manhunt game to come out was (in my opinion) deserving of some kind of honor or award for being an extremely gorey and bloody game.

I'd like to see a trailer of this game just so I could judge for myself how this is considered an AO ranked game. Also I have a question, how in hell are you supposed to get an AO game if retailers don't sell them? What do you order them online or something? About the spoiler tag in the first post, I think that actualy constitutes nudity as well as violence.

Also, if it helps, this is the official guideline for ESRB's AO rating:
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Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.
What you stated suggests nudity, and intense violence goes without saying. I've never heard of another game that allowed prolonged torture and massive slaughter like this one. I'm not sure how the game would work, however, in the last one you started out as a man who was on death row for multiple homicide, and just as you should have gotten the needle, you woke up in some mysterious world, trapped by someone who wanted you to kill to survive. You basically sneak up on people and deliver very bloody finishing moves on them, you can fight with anything from a nail gun (and this is a particularly bloody weapon) to a crowbar, the longer you hold down the button, the higher the level, the more brutal the finishing move. This game must be even worse, and it must have more violence than you'll ever see in your life to be considered AO, I promise you that.

Also, here's something from GamePolotics (Note: Do not read if you are offended by depictions of acts of voilence):
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In Manhunt 2, players can saw their enemies’ skulls in half; mutilate them with an axe; castrate them with a pair of pliers; and kill them by bashing their heads into an electrical box, where it is blown apart by a power surge. On Wii, players will not merely punch buttons or wield a joy stick, but will actually act out this violence…
I don't know about you but I could only imagine seriously sadistic people trying to play this game on the Wii. PS2 and PSP might slide with an M Rating for Blood, Gore, Intense Violence, and Nudity, but the Wii I can't imagine it getting any less than an AO.
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If ever there was a time for the ESRB’s strongest and most unambiguous rating, it is now. An Adults Only rating is the only way to limit children’s exposure to this unique combination of horrific violence and interactivity…

An “M” rating is more like a wink and a nod than an effective safeguard. The industry appears to be going through its paces, but as the FTC’s most recent data show, these games are still being marketed to children.
I have to agree with this, this game deserves AO like nothing I've ever seen before, it's actually a bit worse than having pornography or sexual depictions in a game to have such interactive violence and torture sessions. The "M" rating has never been taken seriously, except by seriously strict parents, but most just ignore it anyway or break down from nagging by their kids. I've seen M Games rated M for Blood, Gore, Intense Violence, and Sexual Themes, but that's about all they can get away with without getting an AO.
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Video games are among the most powerful educational tools yet developed… players experience and learn the game’s skills, whether they be based in strategy, logic, or violence. The content of Manhunt 2 and the unique physical interaction with the Wii control combine to take this simulation a level closer to reality - we can expect that the effects of this experience will be even greater.
I agree 100%, the fact is that kids pay too much attention to video games and too little to the real world and what should happen in it. Grand Theft Auto is actually sometimes used as a virtual reality training video for a gang, and it's actually a very close depiction of gang violence and business. Actually acting out casturating someone with a pair of pliers is going way too far for an M Rated game on the Wii, no arguing there.

Bottom line, this game deserves its AO rating more than any game I've ever heard of to date.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:49 PM   #7
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I agree 100%, the fact is that kids pay too much attention to video games and too little to the real world and what should happen in it. Grand Theft Auto is actually sometimes used as a virtual reality training video for a gang, and it's actually a very close depiction of gang violence and business. Actually acting out casturating someone with a pair of pliers is going way too far for an M Rated game on the Wii, no arguing there.
Hold on, hold on. Kids don't pay too much attention to games and then completely ignore the real world. I know plenty of people my age and lower who love violent games, and sure, we talk about it a lot and laugh evilly, but not once have we ever said, "Okay, let's go Halo 2 on these assholes!" then bring a Jeep with a chaingun to school. As for GTA being a gang-trainer, I can only see that if someone is also pointing out what to do in a certain situation, not just leaving someone alone in a room with a PS2, GTA III, and some water. I do agree that castrating someone is a little too graphic, especially for the Wii.
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Also if this game does not change in the 30 days they have to make revisions then it could possibly mean that the only way to aquire this game is online(a site that sells AO rated games which would be quite difficult since most don't like gamespot, EBgames, etc) or an adult store(sell sexual toys, devices, clothing, etc), or you would have to find some person to buy it off of.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GlIb8by2k0Q
the link is the official trailer but it doesn't show much gameplay...

Warning screenshot from the first manhunt game!!!



Also link to a even more violence in Manhunt 2....
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/883/8...g_4577774.html
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I laugh at JT. Haha....

Yeah, it would have to be either pornographic (not just showing boob shots, I mean showing sexual intercourse or being able to perform it visually) or be more viloent and gorier than Gears of War, God of War and Doom (all of which have R ratings) to get an AO rating. And being gorier than God of War is a scary thought.
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UPDATE:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172830.html?action

Nintendo AND Sony refuses to put this game on their console after all the controversy with the Hot Coffee Mod and the overprotective moms getting mad.

We all know Sony is gonna get screwed over because If they refuse to release this game on the PS2 and PSP then all Rockstar games will have to say is that they will make GTA IV 360 exclusive and they will greatly effect PS3 sales. Either way Sony is in a tight pinch unless Manhunt gets an M rating by editing it.
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Hah, really, I couldn't give a shit. If the game had any hope of actually being some good, I might be bothered. Besides, I feel lucky to live in a country where the ratings system actually draws a decent line. I mean, Manhunt 2 really pushes the boundaries. I feel this is the best decision the BBFC could have made. They've always seen fit to give choice to the consumer about the games they buy, and rate them accordingly. Hence this being the only banned game in the UK. I remember when they were going to rate TimeSplitters 3 an 18 - they turned that round to a 15, rightly IMO.

Now, GTA III being banned in Australia. Now that was some funny-ass bullshit.

EDIT: @ Shiek's update:

Lol, I love all the comments from pissed off Gamespot users whining about censorship. It's Manhunt 2 for fuck's sake, not net neutrality. No-one gives a shit. Gaming goes on.

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I must say that the stupidity of the hidden Hot Coffee in GTA San Andreas was the stupidest thing its producers could have done to it. It had to have been made AO after that everywhere, and they would have had to recall it and remove the scenes for hope of selling it again. The sad part is some kind probably found it out and his parents saw him and reported it to the gaming company. Not only that, but it's actually a kind of sex minigame where you move the up and down arrow keys to move and press certain keys to change positions and stuff like that. I only know this because I viewed a censored photo of it on a website.
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Hold on, hold on. Kids don't pay too much attention to games and then completely ignore the real world. I know plenty of people my age and lower who love violent games, and sure, we talk about it a lot and laugh evilly, but not once have we ever said, "Okay, let's go Halo 2 on these assholes!" then bring a Jeep with a chaingun to school. As for GTA being a gang-trainer, I can only see that if someone is also pointing out what to do in a certain situation, not just leaving someone alone in a room with a PS2, GTA III, and some water. I do agree that castrating someone is a little too graphic, especially for the Wii.
Halo 2 isn't as bad, mainly because it's not imitatable at all. I never said anything about Halo 2 as a game, it's not even realistic at all. You know as well as I do that normal people can't get their hands on military grade assault weapons, explosives, or some kind of high powered suit of armor that protected them from small arms fire. I'm not saying you could literally put a kid in a room with a PS2, GTA San Andreas, and some water and end up with someone who is capable of committing gang violence. Sure, you still need a gang to do this, but the point was it was so realistic and violent it could be used as a training video for those capable of committing violence. Members of the gang even admit that they used it in such a way, that's what I find strange, if adults can believe video games are real to such a degree, imagine a kid playing it. If someone played Manhunt II on the Wii for example, I don't imagine they say "here's a knife torture this guy", they SHOW YOU what to do to him to make him feel extraordinary pain and accomplish whatever objective you've set out to reach. I suppose you're right that it is far too graphic, especially since it was as if you were actually sitting there castrating someone with a pair of pliers. That right there gives you enough depictions of violence and nudity in one place to give you an AO rating.
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Thats really horrible... I wouldn't buy this game, especailly for the Wii... I'd throw up.
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As much as Rockstar spent on this game we all know they will not let it go AO and will take out a little here and there until it gets bumped down to AO.......

I never thought a game could ever get an AO by simply being very violent...... I use to think the only way you could EVER get an AO is to practically have the characters fornicating.......


Also I feel GTA:San Andreas didn't deserve an AO. The only way you could even access the game is to hack your console and if your underage kids is LOOKING for it then I think the parent has a bigger problem on their hands than a videogame.....

You practically have to know what you are looking for to even play the minigame......
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@AnticitizenOne: Couldn't of said it better myself. From what I've heard/hearing about this game, it's just horrible.
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