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Did I compare Kakuzu and Kakashi? Don't put words in my mouth, because you said THIS:
Kakuzu is over a century old and battled the 1st Hokage. Are you telling me this automatically gives him a means to wtfpwn any younger generations?

As for tactical edges, that would be the day. Show me a scan where he demonstrated any significant tactics.

You can complain all you wish. This is manga evidence; you arguing against it isn't my problem.

...or are you forgetting that events even before this, the game was over once Zabuza trapped Kakashi in the Water Prison?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/011-020/0..._ch013_113.jpg

Do you have the slightest clue what the definition of instantaneous is.
Kakashi's direct words couldn't disagree more with your statement:


...and you are to say that he has? What do you have to base this on? More of your bias?

Neither you, I, nor the dog next door has any idea. There's no point bringing it up because it's all unsupported assertions.

Just like it only took "one shot" to transport Deidara, eh?

Yeah, hmmm... just remember something. You're the game machine, and I'm the player.

yondaimehokage16

well it's obivouse sasuke is ur fav that's whay you said that.

Now sasuke can control the sharingan better than kakashi lma0o0oo no he can't kakashi had 3 tomes wayyy before sasuke even had sharingan and now kakashi has mks sasuke doesnt even have that yet so you fail in saying sasuke has better control of the sharingan then kakashi. Faster than kakashi doubt it his shussin jutsu is fast not him it's 2 different things plus if anything he is at par with kakash in speed but idoubt.Kakashi is faster he can open the gates his hand sign speeg is amazing it rivals jiraiya's and itachi's. He has 1000 jutsu at his arsenal he can do all 5 elements sasuke can only use 2. last but not least his mks is enough to deal with sasuke he will be so stuned kakashi has it that by the time he tries to react kakashi would transport him to another dimension. He said naruto surpassed him but he can take naruto out in 2 sec he never said strength wise don't say things that aren't true. Sasuke easily beat naruto doubt it the time when they met after the time skip naruto froze up now naruto has developed rasenshuriken the striongest ninjutsu he can kill sasuke in a mere second. plus if naruto were to go 3 tails on his ass he would pulverise sasuke.

thanks for playing come again.

ITzANIllUZion

@code- for kakashi taking time due to not having alot of chakra...that is good...but we dont know exactly how long it was taking him to gather enough. but that could be the deciding factor...

im sure kakashi would use a soldier pill..knows..he might have some..

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It doesn't matter how much time. It could very well be 30 seconds to 10 minutes. It still doesn't make it instantaneous like Yondaime's teleportation.

yondaimehokage16

ight people like i said before neji vs. rock lee

ITzANIllUZion

im going with lee..once he opens the gates...what is neji gonna do....stand there...

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if ur going with pre time skp it'd be lee. but post u probably wouldnt be able to answer cause we havent seen any of them really fight

MikeyM1979

That's arguable. Sasuke can paralyze and go into people's minds, along with force them into his realm, but that's all we've seen him do. Kakashi can copy jutsu's, and of course, he has MS.

Where'd you get that from?

That doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so. Also, Kakashi's second encounter with Itachi says otherwise. He moved pretty quickly. Something Sasuke was never shown to do before. Remember, Kakashi is Gai's rival, and Gai is most likely faster than both Kakashi and Sasuke.

I wouldn't say easily. But it's not like Sasuke has totally surpassed Kakashi in every other way.

But, we've already done this so many times. =\

I'm sure Neji has something in store for Lee when and if he opens the gates against him. He's a Hyuuga genius, and much more skilled with taijutsu than Lee. Lee's style is all about speed and power, and he's ridiculously straight forward in his attacks. The perfect enemy for a Hyuuga as skilled as Neji. Besides, Neji has already beaten Lee before, so it's not like he's the one that has anything to prove.

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yondaimehokage16

okay the hell with neji and lee


kakashi vs kisame

MikeyM1979

Oh my.

Hmm.

Kisame at 100%? That's a tough one. If Gai had a difficult time against 30% Kisame, I can imagine Kakashi. I'd also imagine Kakashi would have a hard time aiming his MS since Kisame would most likely be in some huge wave surfing around or swimming within it. I don't know that Kakashi has any sort of defense against the Samehada, then again, it cuts through visible chakra. I don't remember if Kakashi's ever been known to show that. As for taijutsu, Kakashi is Gai's rival, so that tells me he can go head to head against any skilled taijutsu user. Kisame really hasn't shown any kind of taijutsu skills, so I'd think Kakashi can take him there, unless of course, Kisame uses that damn sword of his to block everything. >.> As for jutsu's, Kakashi has more, but as I've said dozens of times, more doesn't always mean better. It would be a great chance to copy some jutsu's from Kisame, but I wonder just what Kisame can do against Kakashi, jutsu wise, that would really get him in trouble, other than that water bubble technique. I see Kakashi using way too many large scale moves and running low on stamina and chakra. =\ His best bet would be to use Raikiri, and somehow, get Kisame dazed enough to connect with his MS. But, I still say Kisame would win.

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yondaimehokage16

I think he can fry kisame with raikiri and then use mks fight over.

While kisame maybe fast on water i don't he is without it. Plus he got the stupid sword and he blocked almost every attack gai used at the same time kakashi fought a samehada user before and faired pretty well against him by kicking his ass. As for water ninjutsu anything i have see kisame do kakashi copied from zabuza that is: water prison,water dragon jutsu,mizu bushinn,that wall he did ti protect himself agaisnt itachi. that's just about it all he would really have to do is distract kisame sneek up behind him shove a raikiri in his ass wghich would prop kill him on the spot then if by some chance he survived use mks kisame will be so stuuned he has it by the time he would react he is gonna be in another dimension

i pick kakashi barely.

Shrike

Kisame would slaughter Kakashi.Simply because he has overwhelming chakra.He would outlast him.Kakashi can outsmart him,but since he doesn't have time to charge his MS,he wouldn't have a real chance to win.
If Zabuza caught him in Water Prison,and Kisame can create a lake with 30% chakra...

yondaimehokage16

it only takes sec for him to charge it up but interesting point with the chakra but i still say kakashi but barely.

MikeyM1979

Indeed. Kisame's chakra level is pretty large. Kakashi would be forced to pull out all the stops right at the start.

Yon, aren't you kind of.....under estimating Kisame? This is the guy who stood up to Gai and his team of shinobi.

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I say that Kisame will have the advantage over Kakashi simply because of his huge chakra supply (he won't hardly ever get fatigued) and we all know the Kakashi's is not that great in that department. I have one:

- Sasori vs. Jiraiya

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