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Old 09-13-2007, 11:41 AM   #1
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Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

From the confirmed spoiler of chapter 370, Jiraiya has known of a way that alows Naruto to tap into more power of the Kyuubi. We also have learned that Yondiame (as the genius he is) sealed half of the Kyuubi's powers into Naruto and half somewhere else. He knew of something/some great threat to come that would require the greatest of ability to overcome for the greater good (assuming this part). So if the Fourth knew of this greater evil to come, he sealed the powers of the kyuubi in his own child trusting that Naruto would grow to be the shinobi that would indeed surpass him. He also left the "key" to doing this with Jiraiya, the fourth's former sensei and trusted friend. He wanted Jiraiya to be the one look after Naruto and trusted him with knowing and keeping the secret of the kyuubi's sealing with him. That would act as another fail-safe incase anyone like AK tried to extract the kyuubi from Naruto...... then they would not get the fully abilities of the kyuubi and Naruto couldn't be taken over completely by the kyuubi when accessing his power (I assume taht the fourth was thinking this far ahead for the safety of Naruto and teh village). So that if Naruto ever needed to fully gain control, or was able to gain control of the half of the kyuubi within him, then he could train to access the other half but only if Jiraiya saw it fit that Naruto would be ready and/or needed to be ready. This could have also been the reason that Minato spoke to the Sarutobi about letting the village know that Naruto should be treated as a hero. But anyways, back to my point:

From the first point being taught by Jiraiya during the Chuunin exam, it happened my chance, but that was the first time that Jiraiya wanted to expose Naruto to accessing more chakra for larger battles and to get used to using that ability of his that could help Konoha at some point. Now I'm not saying that Jiraiya was foreshadowing all of this ahead of time, but he isn't dumb either. So he had a larger plan at that point of showing Naruto how to access that about of power from the kyuubi. With Jiraiya taking Naruto in part one as his pupil when going after Tsunade, it was because of his insight not just to Naruto resembling Minato in appearance..... or even his goal to be Hokage. His true reason behind training Naruto all those times in part one was to get him used to accessing that amount of power and being able to handle it. As he got used to accessing it, it would get eaiser and he could control it more. He also taught him hte Rasengan since it was his father's keep sake to improve that ability. Now with him training him during the timeskip, it was to mainly get him ready to handle AK and their motives so that Naruto could actually unlock what Minato had left to Naruto. Jiraiya knew that AK was powerful, but didn't know the depths of their abilities, so he trained Naruto to be ready to handle any situation. He wanted to make Minato proud by training up his son to carry on the legacy of Minato as well as prepare him for what Minato couldn't stop himself. The main purpose of the timeskip training we have not seen in Naruto is because during the training, Jiraiya saw Naruto not fit or ready enough to handle the next stage of power that he was to need. So Jiraiya's true purpose of training was not to get Naruto ready to handle Sasuke or even Itachi, but rather to carry out the will of Minato that he (jiraiya) was not fully aware of why.

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Old 09-13-2007, 11:51 AM   #2
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Re: Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

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From the confirmed spoiler of chapter 370, Jiraiya has known of a way that alows Naruto to tap into more power of the Kyuubi. We also have learned that Yondiame (as the genius he is) sealed half of the Kyuubi's powers into Naruto and half somewhere else. He knew of something/some great threat to come that would require the greatest of ability to overcome for the greater good (assuming this part). So if the Fourth knew of this greater evil to come, he sealed the powers of the kyuubi in his own child trusting that Naruto would grow to be the shinobi that would indeed surpass him. He also left the "key" to doing this with Jiraiya, the fourth's former sensei and trusted friend. He wanted Jiraiya to be the one look after Naruto and trusted him with knowing and keeping the secret of the kyuubi's sealing with him. That would act as another fail-safe incase anyone like AK tried to extract the kyuubi from Naruto...... then they would not get the fully abilities of the kyuubi and Naruto couldn't be taken over completely by the kyuubi when accessing his power (I assume taht the fourth was thinking this far ahead for the safety of Naruto and teh village). So that if Naruto ever needed to fully gain control, or was able to gain control of the half of the kyuubi within him, then he could train to access the other half but only if Jiraiya saw it fit that Naruto would be ready and/or needed to be ready. This could have also been the reason that Minato spoke to the Sarutobi about letting the village know that Naruto should be treated as a hero. But anyways, back to my point:

From the first point being taught by Jiraiya during the Chuunin exam, it happened my chance, but that was the first time that Jiraiya wanted to expose Naruto to accessing more chakra for larger battles and to get used to using that ability of his that could help Konoha at some point. Now I'm not saying that Jiraiya was foreshadowing all of this ahead of time, but he isn't dumb either. So he had a larger plan at that point of showing Naruto how to access that about of power from the kyuubi. With Jiraiya taking Naruto in part one as his pupil when going after Tsunade, it was because of his insight not just to Naruto resembling Minato in appearance..... or even his goal to be Hokage. His true reason behind training Naruto all those times in part one was to get him used to accessing that amount of power and being able to handle it. As he got used to accessing it, it would get eaiser and he could control it more. He also taught him hte Rasengan since it was his father's keep sake to improve that ability. Now with him training him during the timeskip, it was to mainly get him ready to handle AK and their motives so that Naruto could actually unlock what Minato had left to Naruto. Jiraiya knew that AK was powerful, but didn't know the depths of their abilities, so he trained Naruto to be ready to handle any situation. He wanted to make Minato proud by training up his son to carry on the legacy of Minato as well as prepare him for what Minato couldn't stop himself. The main purpose of the timeskip training we have not seen in Naruto is because during the training, Jiraiya saw Naruto not fit or ready enough to handle the next stage of power that he was to need. So Jiraiya's true purpose of training was not to get Naruto ready to handle Sasuke or even Itachi, but rather to carry out the will of Minato that he (jiraiya) was not fully aware of why.

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I think the same only you are mixing one thing up minato sealed ying in naruto and left yang for naruto all the kyuubi's chakra is in naruto but they were sealed in different way fromm protecting naruto not to acess all 9 i think this key will be the one to show naruto all the truth and everything,i also have a feeling yondaime knew madara was the one who unleashed kyuubi on konoha most likely for revenge soyhe thought way ahead damn yondaime really is the greatest shinobi ever and genius ever as well.


nothing jiraiya was teaching naruto was meant for sasuke it was meant for protection from aka and to keep w/e yndaoime wanted a secret from the enemy forget about sasuke and itachi once naruto gets this key and completes *that* jutsu* sasuke is gonna be nothing comapred to naruto and he will go after madara and pein.

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Re: Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

Looks like these things are shaping up to look quite nicely for Naruto. Brings to mind the prediction of the storyline that was talked about earlier a couple weeks back. I will post the link when I find it again. But I am starting to believe that they storyline prediction was true.

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here is the link to what the storyline prediction was from a guy who has a friend tha leaked the info about Naruto in the future. Don't know it is fully true, but so far things look like they will be heading that way.

http://forums.narutocentral.com/show...01#post1260101
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:09 PM   #4
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Re: Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

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ok, a friend of mine from japan has access to the story line of naruto. I'm not sure how and I'm not aloud to say but heres what hes told me.

The two guys act tuff and then jaraiya shows them hes not fooling around. they spill and jaraiya knocks them out. Pein can't find them caz, jaraiya (the intelligent man he is) after transforming the frog back went somewhere where he can't be detected. Konan finds his general area and goes back to pein and tattles on jaraiya. Jaraiya at somepoint catches pein alone and talks to him. persuades him to turn on madara. Pein says he has his own plan and they fight. Pein and konan fight jaraiya and they kill jaraiya. But jaraiya badly hurts or kills one of the two before he goes.
Sasuke and team hebi catch up to itachi and Kisame. Itachi singles sasuke out and then kisame fights the other. Itachi and sasuke start to fight. it goes on for a while and then they start talking. Itachi says to sasuke "foolish little brother" and explains how even though sasuke always says he'll get his revenge and that itachi can't control him, he already does. itachi" kukuku". sasuke goes "whaa?" then he says "I control you. I killed our clan and so you decided on revenge for me. You trained and became strong to revenge the clan. Because of me." sasuke" no...". itachi " because of me you sought power. Because of me you lived. I could have killed you but no. I found you of use to control. You left the village and fought the one who cared most about you almost to the death. You destroyed every chance you had at a normal life for revenge. to avenge me. all because of me. And now... once I die. either by your hands of the kyuubi boys, you will replace me. You will find more power in akatsuki. You'll hope to beat me by doing better and living. But foolish little brother. This is what I wanted all along. I've always controlled you and always will. Sasuke instantly changes into cs2 and goes ballistic and uses up all of his chakra in one shot. he kills itachi but before itachi goes he smiles and says "i told u and u still were controlled by me... u r doomed"
Tobi/ Madara appears and says congrats... u now are the third we need to finally unleash the full uchiha power.

Kisame dies and suigetsu takes the sword. Madara taks Sasuke back to the akatsuki hide out. Madara tells sasuke about all the power he can have if he can get kakashi to join.
blah blah I'm gonna make the rest short. naruto developes and learns new techiniques. then Orochimaru comes back through kabuto and talks to madara about how he has a way to get the last sharingan. Madara accepts his offer and orochimaru faces off agaisnt kakashi alone. orochimaru get kakashis body.
naruto gets the frog scroll and learns many techinques and becomes jonin level. Orochimaru fights naruto and they both walk away unharmed caz orochi runs (pussy).

this is all hes told me. I can't really tell whats gonna happen from this point. I hope this is true, then it'd be pretty interesting. if not... my friend gets his ass kicked!! yay....
also my theorie on naruto. As the ninja world devolped a centurie ago, the land of fire was were the bijuus were placed and (sorta) controlled. Then war broke out between the countries over control of the land. Then the first goes and takes control of one of the bijuu. He seals it inside a persons body and so there is the first jinchuriki. With the jinchuriki he takes control of the land and seals the other bijuu in other people. Then uchiha madara is born from the one theorie (I forget the name) and makes a deal with the kyuubi jinchuriki. They try to kill Madaras father and manage to seal him but the kyuubi breaks free. kyuubi gets put somewhere and the uchiha population grows. Then the kyuubi is eventually placed in narutos mommy and then narutos mommy gives birth and for some reason the seal breaks. she dies and Minato seals kyuubi in naruto. Minato dies and naruto has super kyuubi! but there is a special clan fromthe whirpool (naruto means whirlpool by the way) where kyuubi is supposed to be sealed into that bloodline and placed in solitude. Then naruto grows up and the story is as it is now. so the end.

I'm probably wrong but ah who cares?
That link is broken, so here ya go. Anywho, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who saw this "leaked info" picking up.
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Looks like these things are shaping up to look quite nicely for Naruto. Brings to mind the prediction of the storyline that was talked about earlier a couple weeks back. I will post the link when I find it again. But I am starting to believe that they storyline prediction was true.

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here is the link to what the storyline prediction was from a guy who has a friend tha leaked the info about Naruto in the future. Don't know it is fully true, but so far things look like they will be heading that way.

http://forums.narutocentral.com/show...01#post1260101
link is broken. try again.

and the crappy friend that got the story line is obivously lying casue everything written there is bullshitt beyond comparison.
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well since this is all foreshadowing, it can be seen to be either bs or insightful thinking to what will happen. I'm not going to try to change your mind 'cause I'm still not fully sold on it yet. But the way the manga is right now, it has some plausible connections to possible follow this path of a storyline......... or not. We just have to wait and see.
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It's a good prediction, but just that. Personally I hope that ain't the case, especially with the Kakashi part as that boy better not go down like that. A fare chunk of the stuff really does sound plausible though, but well have to wait and see I suppose.
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I think the same only you are mixing one thing up minato sealed ying in naruto and left yang for naruto all the kyuubi's chakra is in naruto but they were sealed in different way fromm protecting naruto not to acess all 9 i think this key will be the one to show naruto all the truth and everything,i also have a feeling yondaime knew madara was the one who unleashed kyuubi on konoha most likely for revenge soyhe thought way ahead damn yondaime really is the greatest shinobi ever and genius ever as well.
all 9 what? tails? ok. I get that.

can you guys post the spoiler? I haven't heard it.
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I believe how itachi dies is highly likely. I hate to think that jiraiya gets killed but im sure he does but he HAS to meet Naruto one last time and tell him about his father.
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I believe how itachi dies is highly likely. I hate to think that jiraiya gets killed but im sure he does but he HAS to meet Naruto one last time and tell him about his father.
Well Jiraiya might have opened up that armory to leave Naruto a goodbye note in case he doesn't come back, which seems most likely to be the case. That is going to be one sad future chapter. Welp, at least it will start Naruto down the path to godhood.
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I am sorry too say but the j man must die for naruto too become the greatest, and too start gettting some sasuke fans lol
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Re: Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

Possibly, I mean Naruto does not need that kind of power to handle some simple task. Of course Jiraiya trained Naruto to fight Akatuski, but there was probably another secret motive hidden inside. Jiraiya told Naruto not to use "That Jutsu" so its likely that when Jiraiya used the key to open the seal, Naruto entered the 4th tailed state and used the jutsu, while Jiraiya was overwhelmed. I'm sure the jutsu was not complete but even in that state Naruto had not enough control, so Jiraiya banned him from using the jutsu. I think that Jiraiya left Kakashi with info about completing the Rasengan.

I mean after Naruto had been told not to use his Kyuubi's powers for the time being, Kakashi and Yamato were there to get Naruto's own power and chakra control higher so that he could create stronger jutsu on his own before Jiraiya would later hope to train Naruto. Of course Jiraiya won't be teaching him anymore, so its likely that Naruto will get the Key and will resume his training with Yamato, due to his ability to control the Kyuubi's chakra. So Naruto will have to wait before going after Pein. Naruto will have to complete that jutsu...
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Re: Jiraiya's True Training Purpose of Naruto

I agree with SpecialOne pretty much. Any more training that involves heavy amounts of chakra is almost gonna require Yamato to help maintain control during training.
Im a little sceptical about that prediction though. Just because he heard from a guy that knows someone that overheard someone leaking information as to the story yet to come, this is still a story in progress. Personally, Im not a huge fan of this prediction. However, some parts do make some sense. The part about Itachi dying at Sasuke's hands doesnt add up. Why would he sacrafice himself ever? Especially since that takes away one of the 3 MS users.

To all you people that think Naruto would go berzerk if Jiraiya died, what do you think he would do if Kakashi died? and at the hands of Orochimaru of all people no less. HE'D GO NUCLEAR!!
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I agree with some people. Jiraiya may need to die to make naruto stronger. I remember being annoyed at the fact that when naruto came back from training with J, he had barely improved at all compared to others, i mean, look at sasuke. I rly do hope that naruto does get amazingly strong later on. And, with regards to the post about sasuke killing itachi in a spoiler, it seems possible, and its what a lot of u expected from da start, but wouldnt it be just great if we find out something like - itachi was peins clone, and da real one was locked up somewhere, and he really didn't kill the uchiha clan, and sasuke can forgive him....If i'm talking rubbish please say, cus i made this up as i went along.
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