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Old 01-09-2008, 06:31 PM   #1201
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Imo, Pain's a genius as he learned six different natures (one would take a lifetime to master) in three years, asborb other people ninjutsus, and he can summon animals with no problems whatsoever.
Thats what I was going to say if someone tried to deny it.

So it unanimous?
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:36 PM   #1202
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I'm sorry. Can you not see me? And no, everyone's not here so we can't really know if it's unanimous.
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:42 PM   #1203
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I'm sorry. Can you not see me? And no, everyone's not here so we can't really know if it's unanimous.

LOL

Sorry I didn't notice your post.

Why are talking about his AK plans? Its about ability, not what he decides to do with himself. If that was the case then why is Orochimaru a genius with all of his perverted escapades?
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:48 PM   #1204
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true. But what I was saying is that it takes someone pretty smart to come up with a plan like that. But I mean being a genius is not all about ability. It's how that ability comes to you. If it's innate and nothing special for someone of your blood, is it really the same as someone like, say, Shikamaru?
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true. But what I was saying is that it takes someone pretty smart to come up with a plan like that. But I mean being a genius is not all about ability. It's how that ability comes to you. If it's innate and nothing special for someone of your blood, is it really the same as someone like, say, Shikamaru?
I meant to say natural ability, which Pain has.

I'm not sure what your tryin to say in the last part. Are you saying that what Pain can do is nothing special because of his trait(clan/bloodline)? If so thats dumb, because it what they make of those talents that makes them special.

Saskue and Itachi prime example
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:05 PM   #1206
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Sasuke and Itachi, especially Itachi are skilled WITHIN their kekkei genkai. besides, they were both at the top of their classes. They were very intelligent on top of their kekkei genkai.
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Okay, we need a new topic that everyone can stick with for a while until it gets old. I thought Nexus's topic was pretty thought-provoking.
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Old 01-18-2008, 08:59 PM   #1208
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After being majorly disappointed in the Hidan and Kakuzu battle and the end of their possibilities of being a whoel characters, I had very, very high hopes for AL and BH.

Pein/Pain is probably Kishimoto's biggest failure as a character, especially for me, being such a hardcore Akatsuki fan and all. From his half assed status of being the Akatsuki-leader-who's-actually-not-really-the-leader to his stupid powers, not to mention the incredibly lame backstory that feels like something Kishi made up on the spot and was shoehorned at the last second, the whole character feels absolutely pointless and a waste of panel space.

He was supposed to be the all powerful Akatsuki leader, the big bad guy, the main villain. He's actually just some lackey with a run of the mill god complex and no individuality whatsoever. Terrible, terrible writing from Kishimoto.
I agree to an extent. I don't have much interest in Pein, but I didn't mind the backstory. xD It tied in with Jiraiya having met all of Pein's bodies in his past, and getting to see Jiraiya be compassionate towards orphans won me over. xD lol

I'm not ready to say that Pein's influence will stop at false-main villain. I think he and Madara have different agendas, which will most likely clash. And Pein will be Naruto's target, so hopefully he'll become more appealing once his secret is revealed and we learn what became of Nagato and Yahiko. (did I get their names right? lmao) And perhaps his relationship with Konan will be explored, as well as her views on... her choices and all...

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Actually, all that shit about collecting Jinchuuriki sounds like a load of bull now. A nuclear bomb? What the hell, Kishi, what the hell?

And the Rin'negan...yes, supposedly the all powerful eye. When I heard it's origin, I felt sick. It would be better if it was just a powerful bloodline, like the Byakugan and what Sharingan was in Part I. Not some uber-pwnage eye that destroys the world and shit.

And finally, we come to the thing I was disgusted to see-the prophecy...
Holy shit, from a "Hard work can surpass a genius." and Naruto defeating Neji who believed in destiny, to a prophecy where Naruto is actually the "destined child". Really sounds like Kishi made that up on the spot. And miserably failed to make it go along his morals in the manga.

Sigh.
Yes, you've definitely got a point with that last paragraph. It is unfortunate. But I still liked the old frog sage... and destiny is malleable, which is why the 'destined child' will bring with him either destruction or peace... so in a way, it still works with 'hard work can surpass a genius'... hard work is the key to changing your destiny, or actively creating your destiny.. the outcome is not set in stone (the frog sage said it depends on Jiraiya's choice).

And the sage made me laugh. xD
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Wait wait wait, maybe I've missed something, but where did it say that Pain at the age of 10 had use of six elements? o_O I'm not saying it's wrong, but I honestly don't remember that. Didn't he basically just take control of six bodies, who all specialized in six chakra types, and....that's it? Did he learn them all himself?
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Wait wait wait, maybe I've missed something, but where did it say that Pain at the age of 10 had use of six elements? o_O I'm not saying it's wrong, but I honestly don't remember that. Didn't he basically just take control of six bodies, who all specialized in six chakra types, and....that's it? Did he learn them all himself?
I'm afraid that Nagato did possess all six of the elemental chakras at the age of ten (way before his body-snatching business). Here's my reference below:

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I'm afraid that Nagato did possess all six of the elemental chakras at the age of ten (way before his body-snatching business). Here's my reference below:

Holy crap. o_O

I guess, ability wise, then, Nagato is a genius. Pain, however....
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Holy crap. o_O

I guess, ability wise, then, Nagato is a genius. Pain, however....
I'll say that Pain is a genius based on the simple fact that he made more than one Rin'negan come into existence. Originally, only one person is supposed to have it.
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I'll say that Pain is a genius based on the simple fact that he made more than one Rin'negan come into existence. Originally, only one person is supposed to have it.
Maybe. We still don't know the whole truth.

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Holy crap. o_O

I guess, ability wise, then, Nagato is a genius. Pain, however....
Nagato is, indeed, a genius.

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I agree to an extent. I don't have much interest in Pein, but I didn't mind the backstory. xD It tied in with Jiraiya having met all of Pein's bodies in his past, and getting to see Jiraiya be compassionate towards orphans won me over. xD lol
You are right there about Jiraiya.
But I didn't like him being a sensei of AL. I wanted AL to be someone whose hype cannot be shaken that easily, showing him young and vulnerable. Madara is more that material - a guy who is ridiculously old, but isn't really aging. That is what type of AL I wanted.

Yet, even Madara's hype is shaken. Shodai defeated him, and him being part of the Uchiha clan is strait bad for me.
I didn't need more than 2 Uchihas in the story.

If I see AL saying:"If you had known my secret, you would have pwned me, Sensei."
I wanted warlord AL who would respect his opponent, but crush him without holding back, or having a god complex one moment and the other saying he would have died.

Now, I don't see anyone qualified enough to be a good main villain. Actually, I don't see any of these Akatsuki guys as much of a threat anymore. You can just gangband on them, and they are dead.

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I'm not ready to say that Pein's influence will stop at false-main villain. I think he and Madara have different agendas, which will most likely clash. And Pein will be Naruto's target, so hopefully he'll become more appealing once his secret is revealed and we learn what became of Nagato and Yahiko. (did I get their names right? lmao) And perhaps his relationship with Konan will be explored, as well as her views on... her choices and all...
Madara ruined Pain and Itachi.
Both of those characters had endless possibilities of being crazy original characters. Both of them look funny now.

Pain, because of the reasons I already said.

Itachi for being mysterious for 380 chapters, and then be revealed as a henchmen is making me lol IRL. Seriously.
I didn't know Kishimoto enjoyed ruining his characters.

After the third party being involved in the whole brothers business, Itachi vs Sasuke is an empty battle. Itachi has no purpose, he is empty. A hollow. Dead thing.

Being as such, I dropped the manga for a while. I will maybe get interested later again. But for now, I absolutely have no interest in how Itachi vs Sasuke will end.

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Yes, you've definitely got a point with that last paragraph. It is unfortunate. But I still liked the old frog sage... and destiny is malleable, which is why the 'destined child' will bring with him either destruction or peace... so in a way, it still works with 'hard work can surpass a genius'... hard work is the key to changing your destiny, or actively creating your destiny.. the outcome is not set in stone (the frog sage said it depends on Jiraiya's choice).

And the sage made me laugh. xD
Malleable?
Yes, but! He is still the "destined child". Why couldn't he remain a dropout who will be the best with hard work?

Answer:Because every epic story has some kind of prophecy.
Question:But why does Naruto had to be unoriginal when it had a huge chance not to be so?
Answer:....

I believed in Naruto. I was so happy when he won against Neji. I was so happy when Neji changed himself. I was watching the anime with a smile on my face while Naruto changed people (which you don't find realistic, but I do like it because Kishimoto wrote it perfectly).

After I read about the Destined Child, I frowned. So much for that.


The old sage did make me laugh as well though ;D
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