Mizukage Hitsugaya 10

Yeah we can why would we fuck up our own economy??? This is retarded ok I know a little kid who was 5 when he lost his dad in 9/11. And the last thing he needs to hear is some tards telling him the government killed his dad. Are you fools trying to start a revolution? Sure you guys can just sit in your homes all dandy and start pointing fingers but do you know anyone who was killed on that dreadful day. Saying the government did this is in my opinion an Insult to those people's memory. And if you people had a heart you'd keep crap like this in your little twisted minds.
P.S. Bush was in office for 9 months it would take longer to plan something of this scope. Use your heads

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The government has done it before, a guess it is useless to argue about this topic, cuz some people had family members die in 9/11 so it is a hard topic to talk about, but if this is truth its like ur best friend stabbing u in the back, the government has lied before too,

The government would do this becuz of 1 thing MONEY, oil to start a pointless war, to give a reason to start a war so they could make money

Watch the movie Canadian Beacon

Sry if i hurt anybodys feelings but the truth hurts

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Hiraku

how many times must we see this type of thread pop up about 9/11 being a goverment plot. If the goverment was so good at hiding its involment with the attacks of the twin towers and the pentagon.

Then how come the goverment cant solve the health care insurance for all. Immigration, poverty the drug scurge in the US.

Tell me how the goverment can so masterfully cover up its own tracks without a slip of evidence that proves the Goberment was responsible for 9/11 and i would like to know were set goverment exist and what country so i can live there and have a perfect country to live in.

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hmm...is it easier to crash 3 planes, fabricate 12 or so people, and blame it on Al Quaeda, or to protect a 1,952 mile border, poverty (that's been problematic since the beginning of civilization), and illegal drug trafficking? hmm...I'm going to go ahead and say the first one.

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Ninja48

I don't believe in any conspiracy theory anymore, but just because people bring up these theories doesn't mean it insults the casualties of 9/11. How is being killed by a terrorist more honorable than being killed by your government? What matters is that the truth is trying to be obtained to have a proper memory of the victim, but both pro and anti conspiracy theorists are out for the same goal of truth. Only deliberate and conscious smearing of truth can be regarded as an insult to the victims.

And of course, whether or not the truth was consciously fabricated is up to interpretation.

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Mizukage Hitsugaya 10

I don't want this kid to grow up hating the system that makes America the great nation it is. The reason people make crap like this is life in America often seems to good to be true. Now is it perfect; no but for gods sakes Bin Laden has attacked the Trade Center more than once and he stuck a US destroyer but I don't see people instigating Clinton. Why? Because people hate Bush. Personally I don't like or dislike him he was an alright President. Plus if a beloved President like Nixon couldn't get away with a small insignificant scandal like Watergate how can Bush; one of the most hated Presidents get away with something this massive????

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narutoroxmysox1223

Because he had help

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GhostShade

Indeed but people should know the truth!

x-Kimmie-x

I hate these conspiracy stuff. Can`t some people understand that the terrorists where the ones who caused all of this!?!

First of all, we have security camera proofs that the al-Qaeda terrorists where in the airport and where in the planes that crashed.

We have phone calls that victims in the planes made!!

I saw a website on the Moussaoui trial (however you spell it) that had photos of victims and I even saw photos of the rural crash site and of the dead bodies that where in the pentagon. I hate to say this, but they where completely burned up with plane pieces everywhere.

I just want to say RIP to those innocent victims, especially my uncle from my moms side of the family who passed away on the North Tower. Just leave those poor people rest in peace.

H_I

The one and only post that actually made sense!
And RIP to your uncle, as well as a few of my friends who where killed that day. I happen to be a first responder to the World trade Center. I also have 2 combat tours under my belt. So I think I kind of know what I am talking about!
I Wont elaborate on this subject, It still leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.
But to everyone posting, please make sure you post accurate information. Many people lost thier lives that day, and there are still many famlies who re-live the horror everytime some person comes up with a new conspiracy. If possible, can a MOD please close this thread. I dont think it's a legit debate to continue to be left open.

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Xicidal

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
Check out the video there.

Down with the CFR
Dam evul bankers anyways.

marti810

i was gonna post the zeitgiest link as well you beat me to it. if you want to just watch the 9/11 part then skip past the first 20 minutes or so, thats all about jesus.

dirk667

LOL! the government didnt do that! in a way that is. i put full blame on clinton. the terrorists were doing stuff and prepairing for 9/11 and he didnt do anything about it!!

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darrylgm

Im not saying 9/11 is a conspiricy or not im bringing this up. During the 60's american government officials planned to tell CIA a agents to perform "acts of terrorism" on the american people and then blame Cuba to create fear and to have a reason to invade Cuba (sound familiar)

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I am truly disgusted at your closed-mindedness and blind belief in the honesty of the US Government/Military. The US and foreign governments/militaries have staged terrorism against their own people in the past.

-The Towers were considered "poorly designed money-losers"

-The Pentagon was hit in the only section that was nearly empty and had a bunch of "inconvenient paperwork" that had to do with massive budget problems.

-Building 7 was worthless to them, and only had documents that related to corporate scandals/CIA operations -- i.e: stuff they might WANT to get rid of.

And besides, the US planned to launch attacks like that in Florida/Washington back in 1963. Of course the US Government would attack it's own interests for greater profit.

9/11 triggered wars against Iraq/Afghanistan (Which were pre-planned when Bush came into office, btw -- how did they know to plan them?). Maybe you don't know the kind of people that were in government at the time. In 1998, 18 members of a conservative "think-tank" called PNAC urged Clinton to go to war with Iraq. In the Bush administration, 10 of those characters would be key government officials -- this included Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.

Really? Then why is it that in 1962, the top commanders of the US Military planned to commit acts of terrorism in Florida/Washington and against US Military personnel abroad? And why does all of the evidence point to the OKC Bombing being a covert military operation?

In addition to making $$$ for the oil industry, the Iraq War also fulfilled the $$$ fantasies of the defense industry. Also, Kuwait has less oil than Iraq. Saudi Arabia has the most oil, and it's on very friendly terms with the US.

The CIA/USG has a long history of covert drug trafficking. Afghanistan is rich business in the Opium trade. Tons of poppies. It also made the defense industry tons.

Bush's approval rating soared after 9/11:



That's like saying Cambodia had nothing to do with Vietnam. The simple fact is that Iraq, like Afghanistan, would be politically impossible without the emotional outrage created by 9/11.

From that standpoint, Osama is innocent. The FBI's Rex Tomb admitted that they don't put OBL on the most-wanted list because they have 'no hard evidence' connecting him to the 9/11 Attacks.

There is a video of these very explosions that prove that they are coming out of the building, not crashing into the building.

The truth at the World Trade Center is that there was no plane -- only fake videos.

That would prove the government's story a lie.

The evidence just doesn't point that way.

I've read that article. It makes a very poor argument.

"If the conspiracy theorists were right, then why wouldn't the government kill them?"

The answer to this is simple -- they don't have to.

What's easier:

-Sending death squads around the world to take out all of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists (Imagine the kind of money, risks, and cover-up this unnecessary move would require)

-Leaving it up to the mainstream newsmedia to brainwash people into believing that the official story is gospel and that anyone who questions it is a "conspiracy kook" who is on the same boat as the holocaust deniers.

The latter method is more effective. Not only would the first require an amazing amount of time/money/cover-up, but it would also arouse suspicions. People would see the truthers' deaths as confirmations that they were on the right track, and thus, new truthers would appear.

Marginalization/ridicule is free and rather than causing suspicion, it brainwashes people into being absolutely not-suspicious. It even brainwashes them into laughing at anyone who IS suspicious.

Much more effective. Much easier.

And Maddox' argument that "the fires would only have to reach 650 degrees to weaken the steel"? Someone should tell him that NIST couldn't find evidence of fires above 250 degrees and that a FLIR camera picked up fires of 100 degrees. Not NEARLY enough to bring down a highly complex steel/concrete building. I am not alone in saying that, but I stand with over 700 professionals in the architectural/engineering world who agree.

And his argument that you would need to "keep the firefighters quiet"? They didn't. Tons of them talked about explosions/bombs in the building. Some of them are still active in voicing this today. As for all of the other people he thinks would have to be in on it, Maddox should do some research into how military operations are conducted. He'll find a neat little word called "Compartmentalization".

1. Cut the insults.

2. As I've shown above, all of Maddox's arguments fall on their face.

3. The links at the bottom of the page (Popular Mechanics, Loose Change Guide) have been heavily debunked many times.

4. It's not people trying to complicate things. It's people following the evidence.

Keeping it secret from all the witnesses? They didn't. Hundreds of witnesses report explosions inside the Towers. Many witnesses report an aircraft not matching a big jetliner hitting the Towers/Pentagon/Shanksville.

In fact, thanks to the witnesses coming out, we have a lot of evidence against the government's story.

These very sites have been heavily debunked.

Can't be, because:
-They matched the sound of high-velocity explosives
-They had a detonation wave

Then you haven't been looking. Yes, the oil industry did benefit. But here:
-Neoconservatives wanted to invade Iraq and said so in their own reports.

-Neoconservatives scheduled the Afghanistan War for October 2001 when Bush came into office and needed to engineer an event to get people behind it.

-The defense industry was crying for more money and the US Military wanted a budget boost.

-The government got to crackdown on the US people and pass the PATRIOT Act, create the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and destroy many of the constitutional freedoms that Americans used to enjoy.

War On Terror = $$$, Legislation, and Approval Ratings

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Truth about 9/11
The attacks were an 'inside job': http://killtown.911review.org/
The TV footage is fake: http://www.septemberclues.info/
The Military used hi-tech weapons to destroy the Towers: http://drjudywood.com/