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Old 02-08-2008, 12:02 AM   #751
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Re: The Naruto Debating FC

im guessing that debate must be a draw or either a example debate lol
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:05 AM   #752
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Re: The Naruto Debating FC

Actually SM, it wasn't bashign so much as....constructive critisism...

And the bet, well, thta was my assumption based on my perseption of everyone's skills as debaters in relation to his. I personally find you, mikey, and Shrike to be better debaters due to form, structure, and good use of knowledge. I don't even know where I stack up. :P
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:11 AM   #753
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im guessing that debate must be a draw or either a example debate lol
An example debate? WTF! Eighty6ed doesnt participate in examples! Eighty6ed's words are legend! Legends are not for examples! Legends are for quoting in future threads for generations to come as they ponder what we really meant when we discussed things that they didnt realize people in out time were capable of thinking! Its like discovering that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independance using a GelWrite pen and recycled paper using a low-wattage neon lightbulb for illumination! THAT is what beign exposed to Eighty6ed's mind is like.

WOW! I think this whole self-realization "Find a better me" shit is starting to fuck with my head. Typically Im not prone to such claims of grandeur. Maybe I should go back to some more mindless violence and absolute devastation in DevilMayCry4.
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Old 02-08-2008, 01:04 AM   #754
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Re: The Naruto Debating FC

Wait, I'm okay with the decision an all. But Asuma's Fire based ninjutsu should not have been included as a decider, it was never proved or brought up as a fact. Of course one of us knew what the results would be if it was included in the debate. I'm just saying Asuma's fire based ninjutsu was on a point not brought up from Team red. So in the debate, Asuma can't use fire based ninjutsu. That's all I wanted to say
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An example debate? WTF! Eighty6ed doesnt participate in examples! Eighty6ed's words are legend! Legends are not for examples! Legends are for quoting in future threads for generations to come as they ponder what we really meant when we discussed things that they didnt realize people in out time were capable of thinking! Its like discovering that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independance using a GelWrite pen and recycled paper using a low-wattage neon lightbulb for illumination! THAT is what beign exposed to Eighty6ed's mind is like.

WOW! I think this whole self-realization "Find a better me" shit is starting to fuck with my head. Typically Im not prone to such claims of grandeur. Maybe I should go back to some more mindless violence and absolute devastation in DevilMayCry4.
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ooookaaay...Eighty...do you by chance suffer from MPD? And referring to ones self in third person perspective is not the 'in' thing anymore.

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Mystik: I wouldn't mind if it were to be made into an example debate...in all honesty I thought that one was horrible though myself. Way too chaotic.
true but you all did such a great job and all of you kept me entertained.. =D
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Wait, I'm okay with the decision an all. But Asuma's Fire based ninjutsu should not have been included as a decider, it was never proved or brought up as a fact. Of course one of us knew what the results would be if it was included in the debate. I'm just saying Asuma's fire based ninjutsu was on a point not brought up from Team red. So in the debate, Asuma can't use fire based ninjutsu. That's all I wanted to say
Oh yeah! I meant to ask that. Were the things you mentioned in your post deciding factors of the winners of the debate or your own opinion, Nami, because none of those things should have been included as part of the judging. this also makes the judgement questionable as you obviously show a bias towards that side. However, since you and Shrike agreed, I overlooked that bias.
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Re: The Naruto Debating FC

Like I said last time, okay with the decision, but I don't see how they could have won, I mean they could have at least drew ties with us. The fact that my last post was allowed should have given us the upper hand.

The only way Team red could have one, was if my last post did not count. Of course I would have understood and would have been angered, but it did not happen, my last post counted. As long as my last post count, Team red should not have won, because my last post has questions that were not answered and points not addressed.

Even Shrike said that my points would all be taken into account. I would prefer if we won (but that's bias) but it should have been a draw in my opinion. I'm still okay with the overall decision because Sliver did not get a chance to counter. That's the only reason why I'm okay with the decision. Other than that, it was a good debate.
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Like I said last time, okay with the decision, but I don't see how they could have won, I mean they could have at least drew ties with us. The fact that my last post was allowed should have given us the upper hand.

The only way Team red could have one, was if my last post did not count. Of course I would have understood and would have been angered, but it did not happen, my last post counted. As long as my last post count, Team red should not have won, because my last post has questions that were not answered and points not addressed.

Even Shrike said that my points would all be taken into account. I would prefer if we won (but that's bias) but it should have been a draw in my opinion. I'm still okay with the overall decision because Sliver did not get a chance to counter. That's the only reason why I'm okay with the decision. Other than that, it was a good debate.
Your points were taken into account. But also the fact that your opponent didn't have a chance to counter your last post was taken into account.
If you ask me, it's a draw between these two teams in your debate, but I decided to give Team Red a win since I found their points slightly better overall.

If you want all the points shown, I can post them.

Also, the Katon point. Well, it wasn't mentioned anyway, but since Jounin can usually use at least two types of nature manipulation, it would be logical that if Asuma had Katon after the TS, he had it before as well. He was Jounin before the TS as well. So, even if it was mentioned, I would take it into account at least partially.
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Also, the Katon point. Well, it wasn't mentioned anyway, but since Jounin can usually use at least two types of nature manipulation, it would be logical that if Asuma had Katon after the TS, he had it before as well. He was Jounin before the TS as well. So, even if it was mentioned, I would take it into account at least partially.
I don't think katon should be taken into consideration AT ALL. Even if you assume he had it first if he were a Jounin in part one too.

The thing here was that it was brought in part 2 together with wind, and believe me I was dying to use some wind arguments and blow the whole team 8 outside the arena.

But Kurenai did not have a chance in part 2 to show some elements that could be mentioned for part one too, so it was utterly unfair for us to use katon, and team blue to have nothing to defend themselves with, coz they only had genjutsu to play with.

really, it would have been unfair to use katon in arguments coz it would have given my team too many chances.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:31 AM   #760
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if I remember well, I was not the one to bring up the neutralization of genjutsu by the flow of chakra. I did mention it I think, coz it was used by someone else during the debate, but I emphasized only on the "hurt yourself* no jutsu to force your mind to something else. I personally cut any information I had from part 2 and considered the manga wasn't even published after part one ended, when I did my debating.

I don't remember using elemental affinities either. I only used Asuma's blades who cut Kisame's face, but did not tel how: I didn't mention they were infused with wind chakra, only that they could cut well even if you think you dodge them, coz I could see the chakra on the blades in those panels, but we, in part one didn't know it was wind, so I shut up.

so what I did was to consider that Asuma was jounin level and could break a genjutsu. As well as Shika who did that at least 2 times during part one. I tried my best not to use anything from part 2. In case I slipped something from part 2, it was by mistake.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:50 AM   #761
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I never based myself on that charm lol. Only thing Asuma could do is blow some cigarette smoke and intoxicate them all. haha

I don't get what you want to say about the useless overall argument and the line of thinking.
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Also, the Katon point. Well, it wasn't mentioned anyway, but since Jounin can usually use at least two types of nature manipulation, it would be logical that if Asuma had Katon after the TS, he had it before as well. He was Jounin before the TS as well. So, even if it was mentioned, I would take it into account at least partially.
Just to point out for this topic of the katon point from Asuma, I brought that up in my second post in the debate. I will post it here once I go back throught the pages
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Just to point out for this topic of the katon point from Asuma, I brought that up in my second post in the debate. I will post it here once I go back throught the pages
yah you did, but I neutralized it, coz it was never mentioned in part one. So this leaves Kurenai with no tricks that could have been mentioned in part two, and haven't yet. why only asuma.
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The part about Asuma using that 'manly' charm was a joke I made a page back. That's all =)
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I think Kurenai had better hopes for a KO if she applies the charm, like you said last time.

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And the point was it just doesn't seem logical to realign the way the world (the Naruto world) works for a debate. That's all. It just leaves things open to theory too much. But again that's just my opinion. Not really saying anything or trying to get any points across...so no worries.
you don't have to realign, you just have to forget the part two of the series ever existed. Then everything works fine.
if that's what you meant.
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Okay well since it never existed; I can say that any wind technique would just pwn all fire techs since that stuff never happened before. Likewise, Kakashi could never poke a hole through a strong earthen wall.
no you can't. You can't say absolutely anything coz like you said it never existed. So you can't mention anything about any element being stronger. Since that was a matter of part two only. And in part one none of the members in those 2 teams used any element. Not even Asuma, coz we couldn't tell those chakra blades were infused with wind. They were just something that cut well, that's all and that's all I said.

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I can also say that Kurenai blows because she only have one technique in the whole of Part One and that was torn down and used against her by Itachi with the bat of an eye-lash and that Genjutsu is pretty useless overall since we don't know the intricacies or how they work.
Well Asuma on the other side had NO technique in part one except for his taijutsu and blades. And I never mentioned any other except genjutsu counter, which was also proven by a lazy punk like Shika.

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Asuma is so weak that he got overpowered by the tip of a sword, being held by one hand, whilst he was using both arms defensively to try and hold it back. Also, since it's black and white, you can't really tell Asuma uses wind...just regular chakra on those blades that cut Kisame, since we don't know that the 'wind' element is the one that provides the cutting power.
But we knew in part one that Kisame's sword sucks the chakra, it was obvious how Asuma got pwned, simply drained of chakra in his arms.
And again, I did not mention Asuma's blades were infused with wind, coz obviously we couldn't have known that, I just said they cut.
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Which by the way, comparing Ino to Sakura really kind of ruined everything, since we are forgetting everything about the TS, Sakura is still the absolute most useless character there is who sucks at everything and has only shown the ability to set a few cruddy traps that all failed completely.
Comparing Ino to her in taijutsu means she's the 2nd worst at it in the whole series. And likewise, her mind technique is pretty much useless since it can be forcibly removed by a strong will.
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Of course this is only if you completely forget about Part Two and the way things work.
alright, I think I'm getting your point now. You weren't talking about how I didn't use anything from part 2, but how all of us debated. Since I never brought up Ino and Sakura, someone else did. And that only means they never thought the way I did, I just read the rules that it's all about part one, and debated that way. I didn't figure I should remind the others about it, I would have, if the debate lasted longer, coz I only had 2 posts over all.
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