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Old 09-18-2009, 05:27 AM   #1
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Question The new Madara vs The New World Hockage

I believe this story can be condensed into 3 words: "Naruto versus Sasuke". Let me explain.

History repeats itself- the sage of six paths chose the youngerhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/12/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/12/ Nagato the rebirth of the sage of six paths chose Narutohttp

://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/16-17/



http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/14/ chosen by fate

I believe this story can be condensed into 3 words: "Naruto versus Sasuke". Let me explain.

History repeats itself- the sage of six paths chose the youngerhttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/12/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/12/ Nagato the rebirth of the sage of six paths chose Naruto

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/14/

If Naruto is the incarnation of peace & love, Sasuke is the incarnation of the very hatred Naruto is trying to eliminate. True, Sasuke is not the only hating person in the world, but I believe Sasuke is the symbol of the hatred of the world. If Naruto can convert Sasuke, Naruto can convert anyone.

The point of Sasukes character is to go and cause huge chaos & mayhem and entangle himself into deep world political shit. Then when Naruto chases after Sasuke, Naruto must untangle the shit Sasuke has caused, and by then the whole cause is very deeply rooted into world politics.

My point is: when Sasuke is finished, he is in so deep shit that if Naruto intends to pull Sasuke out of it, Naruto has to pretty much cause world peace or something. By that time both have reached world renown "powerlevels", Naruto will be the new "1st hokage" and Sasuke will be the new "Madara".

There are too many signs to think otherwise. The whole central plot of manga is revolved around Uchiha Vs Senju (just like Madara once again confirmed a chapter or two ago), and Naruto & Sasuke are the 2 central figures.

If Naruto is the main protagonist, Sasuke is the main antagonist. Getting powerups, never dying and beating the crap out of everyone except Naruto is what Sasuke is supposed to do.

That's how I've figured out the story anyway.

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1) if rinnegan is a mutation is naruto going to have it since he sage of six paths' path of peace?
2) What role is madara going to play in making this new madara is he going to take over sasuke's body since he is a spirit or a ghost
3) When Sasuke fights naruto is he going to have the mangekyo sharingan or EMS
4)how is he going to meet bee?
5) Kishi said a great ninjar war is going to break, that raises a lot of questions is naruto going to take over all the villages by consent or by conquest?

I would like by conquest, think about shikamaru as strategic planner of the naruto army. So what do you think guys?

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Old 09-18-2009, 07:20 AM   #2
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Re: The new Madara vs The New World Hockage

It will probably go that way, as most of guys think here Sasuke vs Naruto is the point of this manga.

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The point of Sasukes character is to go and cause huge chaos & mayhem and entangle himself into deep world political shit. Then when Naruto chases after Sasuke, Naruto must untangle the shit Sasuke has caused, and by then the whole cause is very deeply rooted into world politics.
This is pretty much what is happening at the moment.

But I would like to offer an another view on the plot of Naruto.
Naruto and Sasuke are different, as are many other characters in the story. Some of them are good, and some are not so good. Those that are good all share a common view on life, it is a "good guy" perspective: That friends are important, and ultimately that all life is important. Those that are not good, don't value life of others, but abstract things and their own ego.

Naruto and Sasuke are different in personality, they are traveling different paths, but they might both end up in the same place independently, the good guy's perspective place.

That means Sasuke becomes a good guy regardless of Naruto, I would like that to happen as Sasuke demonstrated those qualities in shipuuden by choosing not to kill those weaker than himself, and by showing that he cares about his friends during the Killerbee fight.
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i hope sasuke becomes this new madara cos if madara be the last boss it will be awful cos he has been defeated at the height of his power. Sasuke is the real deal as madara said
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i hope sasuke becomes this new madara cos if madara be the last boss it will be awful cos he has been defeated at the height of his power. Sasuke is the real deal as madara said
It makes sense, Sasuke and Naruto are already almost strongest ninjas in the story, by the end of the manga they would have become the strongest so it makes sense for them to fight.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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i think sasuke wil turn good due to naruto's explanation and then konoha will accept sasuke

but the rest of the villages will not like this at all

and they all will declare war against konoha !!!
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sasuke doesn't want peace like Nagato he said to Madara he wants to inflict his hate on the whole world so that they may understand his hatred. no way sorry sasuke is never gonna repent
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Re: The new Madara vs The New World Hockage

If u think about it, they were all good people at ssome point in time. 1st 2 brothers didnt have a problem til father died and left everything to little bro. The hatred in big bro began. That's pretty much understandable, still not right but it's human. They had different views on the world

Madara admired The 1st Hokage, and the 1st respected his arch nemesis enough to agree to coexist in one village. Madara was not so much driven mad by not being ion top i dont think, but that he was "forced" to take his brother's eyes and therefore "life" for Uchiha, and Uchiha wanted to agree to this treaty with the same clan his brother gave his life for. If peace would have come so soon, he brother might not have had to die. He couldnt accept it. This too is understandable in a world where nobody knew anything but war, and every clan for his own, and always Uchiha vs. Senju. Madara wanted to at least rule so his brother didnt die just to become 2nd in command to their enemies.

Sasuke was a good, loving child, but was mind raped while he was still at an age to be still developing his personality. Gaara was mind raped by a male family member as well, and at a much younger age and he turned out ok but Gaara is not Sasuke. To each his own. Sasuke was mislead by Itachi to think that hatred is the key to growth and Sasuke feels like that's what got him this far so... Gaara changed because the 1st man to ever defeat him was Naruto, and Gaara couldnt understand how Naruto could be so strong until he listened to Naruto's words.

Unfortunately for Sasuke, he has heard Naruto's words and knows their effect on people, so he has built up an immunity to it since he knows he can expect it. Naruto's words cant effect Sasuke like they do "strangers"


Naruto is destined to See Jiraiya dream of world peace come true. Sasuke represents all the evil in the world as said, so if Naruto can save him from himself and the world then he can save the world. Honestly, Naruto will save the world even if Sasuke has to die, even if by his hands, but i think "Sasuke being saved" will have that connection to saving the world and finally ending this Uchiha curse of hatred with Senju and the world and together as one rebuilding what was lost due to the hatred.

Senju and Uchiha all come from the same great blood that make them powerful. They have a blood connection and now that Sasuke is the only possibility to rebuild Uchiha in the right way, he and Naruto must find the way back and break the curse. Maybe once " the curse is broken" Sasuke offsping and future Uchiha will not be capable of MS. Maybe just 1 born every 100 years, still possessing some of that blood deep hatred in him and direct descendant of Sasuke's will be able to get MS, but the curse will cause him to go blind if he overuses that MS.
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i really don't hope naruto gets the sennin's eyes. sasuke's already got the sharingan that's enough talk about the eyes
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Mysteries

1) if rinnegan is a mutation is naruto going to have it since he sage of six paths' path of peace?
2) What role is madara going to play in making this new madara is he going to take over sasuke's body since he is a spirit or a ghost
3) When Sasuke fights naruto is he going to have the mangekyo sharingan or EMS
4)how is he going to meet bee?
5) Kishi said a great ninjar war is going to break, that raises a lot of questions is naruto going to take over all the villages by consent or by conquest?

I would like by conquest, think about shikamaru as strategic planner of the naruto army. So what do you think guys?

1) I doubt naruto will get the rinnegan. He is a decendant of the "Sage of the 6 paths" younger son, who didn't inherit the eye techniques.

2) Madaras not a ghost. He just uses a jutsu to phase through stuff. I have a theory about his eyes. We only see his right eye. If his MS techniques are like sasukes, his left and right eye have different abilities. We see sasukes left eye bleed when he uses amaterasu. If madara over used his left eye it could have burned out. Susanoo requires both eyes. So if madara can't use the left, he can't use both. That means he only has the right. When madara took his brothers eyes the pattern from both eyes fused together. I doubt it was to look cool. There had to be a reason. Maybe he got his brothers MS technique. If so, what if he got sasukes eyes. He would get fresh eyes, and maybe new techniques.

3) He already has MS. I thinks it might be EMS, it's hard to say. When madara got EMS, he did so by taking his brothers eye. Look closely at the design. Madara had a circle with 3 dots. His bro had a 3 bar design. When they fused he had both. 3+3=6. Itachi on the other hand gave sasuke his MS. You see it when madara took off his mask. Sasukes eyes tranformed into itachi's MS, and used amaterasu. When he learned the truth about itachi from madara his eyes changed to their current 6 point star design. My theory is Sasukes got his MS after he killed itachi, but since he already had itachi's MS first, it became EMS. Thus we never actually saw sasukes MS because he skipped it. Just a theory? Anybody care to comment?

4) Not sure who you mean. Did you mean naruto meeting bee? If so, I'm not sure he will. It'd be cool if he did. Maybe bee could tell naruto how to control the fox.

5) Doubt he would take over by conquest, maybe by consent. If naruto was chosen to lead, Gaara would agree. Danzo might also just so he could manipulate the situation in his favor. The other 3 villages are questionable.

BTW, did you know shikamaru's father is the Jonin commander for the leaf village. He does strategy planning for the village. Shikamaru would make a excellent general for naruto's army.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Jonin_Commander
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That explains why as soon as the fight was over, he was called immediately to the meeting for the new hokage, pretty nice.
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3) He already has MS. I thinks it might be EMS, it's hard to say. When madara got EMS, he did so by taking his brothers eye. Look closely at the design. Madara had a circle with 3 dots. His bro had a 3 bar design. When they fused he had both. 3+3=6. Itachi on the other hand gave sasuke his MS. You see it when madara took off his mask. Sasukes eyes tranformed into itachi's MS, and used amaterasu. When he learned the truth about itachi from madara his eyes changed to their current 6 point star design. My theory is Sasukes got his MS after he killed itachi, but since he already had itachi's MS first, it became EMS. Thus we never actually saw sasukes MS because he skipped it. Just a theory? Anybody care to comment?
sasuke didn't skip anything, the MS he has right now is his own design (can't say about his "own" techs though but it is his own design and pattern) itachi didn't give sasuke his MS, he gave sasuke his MS techs.if itachi did indeed give him his MS then this wouldn't have happened.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page009.html
if you remember itachi's eyes are still in his head when he died. some people say madara took itachi's eyes and put it in a cup/jar thingy but i don't remember that so if someone could post a link showing itachi's eyes in madara's hands i would really like to see that
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page016.html

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sasuke didn't skip anything, the MS he has right now is his own design (can't say about his "own" techs though but it is his own design and pattern) itachi didn't give sasuke his MS, he gave sasuke his MS techs.if itachi did indeed give him his MS then this wouldn't have happened.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page009.html
if you remember itachi's eyes are still in his head when he died. some people say madara took itachi's eyes and put it in a cup/jar thingy but i don't remember that
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page014.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page016.html

I didn't mean he gave him the actual eyes. Just that he transferred the MS and the MS techs. Sasuke couldn't use Ama against Madara without the Itachi's MS being activated first.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page002.html

It's likely that he had Itachi's MS but lacked the ability to activate it at will. Since he had Itachi's MS already, when he finally awakened his own, it could have become the EMS. It would explain the odd design. It could be an alternate way of getting a EMS. Just a thought.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page009.html

Not sure what your pointing out here. If you talking about sasukes "new power", I'm still not sure I've seen it yet.

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itachi's MS pattern only activated when he saw madara because sasuke didn't have MS AT ALL at that time and so he needed a MS to use amaterasu and that's it. sasuke cannot replicate itachi's eye pattern at will or ever. it's just when he sees madara's sharingan
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itachi's MS pattern only activated when he saw madara because sasuke didn't have MS AT ALL at that time and so he needed a MS to use amaterasu and that's it. sasuke cannot replicate itachi's eye pattern at will or ever. it's just when he sees madara's sharingan
OK, what your saying is true, but here's a few other things to think about.

1) You can't use MS techs without a MS. That explains why Itachi had to give sasuke a replica of his MS.

2) Itachi gave him Tsukuyomi and Susanoo too, neither of which were set up automatically. Itachi had to have foreseen a way for sasuke to use them.

3) Sasuke's got his MS right after the fight. Whether or not he could have used itachi's MS we will never know. Once he got his own there was no point.

4) You have to consider Itachi's actions. Why did he give sasuke all his MS techs? If Ama was to kill madara, then why the give him the other 2? Did Itachi foresee Sasuke getting his own MS? If so why bother giving him his to begin with. Itachi doesn't do things without a reason.

Here's my theory. Itachi knew about the blindness caused by MS. He actually loved his brother and tried ( in his own twisted way) to make sasuke stronger. So it doesn't make since he would want sasuke to go blind too. That's when he developed a alternative way to give sasuke his MS and techs. Because sasuke didn't awaken it himself the gradual blindness doesn't occur. What he didn't plan on was sasuke awakening his own MS, or did he hmmm. Itachi said himself that only if he had the EMS could he surpass Madara, so it makes since that he would want sasuke to have it.
http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.p...uto&c=386&p=10

If he already had itachi's MS and then got his own, it is possible he has EMS. He just did it in reverse order from madara. BTW, if madara and his brother both awakened their MS at the same time, why didn't they both go blind? Now that's a mystery.


http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page008.html

I did a little research into Sasuke's "new power" and found something Itachi said.
http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.p...ruto&c=386&p=8

Notice when he says the "the transplant gave birth to a new eye technique". That also hints that sasuke might have the EMS.
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the way i see it is this..

itachi gave sasuke all his ms, techs. maybe he didn't know how to give him just amaterasu to use as a failsafe against tobi, or maybe he did, and had a reason to give him all of them. none the less itachi gave sasuke all his ms techs. i think when sasuke awakened his ms, that itachis techs replaced the ones sasuke would have got, but not entirely. i think when sasuke awakened his ms, instead of getting his own ms techs , his ms just made variations on itachi's ms techs. so sasuke kinda gotta bonus from having itachi's ms techs as a starting point for his new ms techs.


i dont think sasuke can have ems. when madara was said to attain this, he took the actual eyes of his brother, and his brothers eyes found a new "light" by switching hosts. sasuke didnt have ms, when itachi gave him the techs, so he couldnt have improved sasukes eyes to ems if he never had ms. then sasuke activated ms with his own eyes, so all the ms effects have taken place on sasukes eyes. he never got someones eyes, allowing them to find a new light.
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