The Madness

If you take up the 'strong-willed' argument against addiction, then you pretty much are saying you can't get addicted to anything.

Well, you can, but through sheer will power quit cold turkey.

Miburo

Okay, so you can't back up anything you say with actual evidence. You're not a doctor (And if you are, I doubt you can prove it). Your arguments hold no actual merit. No one who is even slightly intelligent would take your word on it. You've failed at proving your points.
I mean does weed impair someone physically. Not really complicated. Wikipedia says it does. Wikipedia lists sources. You don't. Wikipedia is more trustworthy.

Prove that then. I always thought that your heart beats faster in response to something, whether it be a stimulus from the brain for various reasons, oxygen demand from muscles, etc. I never heard of it beating faster to CAUSE an increase in speed or physical abilities. I've never been sitting there thinking "Damn, I want to surpass my current physical limits!," have my heart rate suddenly increase, then be able to move more quickly than I could beforehand. So I wanted you to post a link showing me the common knowledge that I've been oblivious to all this time.

I guess I should just take your word on it though. You're clearly very intelligent and have a vast amount of knowledge in regards to how the human body works. Forgive me for questioning you, oh wise sage.

Link? Source? No? Then you fail. You made a thread to discuss this shit, but you can't even do a damn google search to support your dubious claims. Of course no one is going to take you seriously and question your intelligence. You've given them every reason to. And it's even more hilarious because in at least half your posts in here you were insulting other people's intelligence. That's what we smart people call delicious irony.

Myth

You're right in a sense that's it's a lot easier said then done I guess, but i still think it's all in your head..

I've picked up smoking when i was 13 and quit 2 years after it wasn't hard at all I just literally woke up and said i don't wanna smoke anymore, and i stopped it..

I also smoke Pot I enjoy it the feeling is the best and I can always smoke instead of go for something more serious like coke.

But I take constant breaks in smoking, I can smoke for a few months str8 either a few times a week or a few times a day and then just stop for 2 months, and start again..

I wouldn't say I'm addicted cause its not a needed thing in my life, If pot wasn't available to me I wouldn't go seeking for it you know, I'd just say fuck it.


Also to someone who said Heart rate doesn't increase from Pot you should prob stop talking like right about NOW, Pot does indeed cause increase in heart rate. Smoke a Blunt or Joint of anything even if its weak stuff and feel your heart after wards or hold you hand on your chest while you smoke...

Better yet if you want to test it out quicker buy some strong shit (not laced of course), and take a big enough pull for you to cough as soon as you stop feel your heart.

The Madness

You just said when you smoked you smoked a few times a day.


Define 'few'.

That, to me, doesn't seem enough to cause a strong addiction to cigarettes. I have a friend who smokes around a half to a pack a day. He's fucking addicted.



Also, I don't even know why the whole heart rate increase argument is still going on.


Smoking increases your heart rate.

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Myth

When I said I smoke a few times a day I meant Pot for ciggs I use to smoke almost a pack a day I might have not been addicted crazy crazy but there was an addiction for sure.

As for Pot I can smoke a few times a day for 5 times a week by few i mean like 4-5 joints.. But I've recently stopped it gotta take a break for now I still smoke just not as much for now.

DarkAztek

Okay, neat. I'll drop the fact that I was not implying such a thing at all (seeing as how I told you I am an avid smoker and I said SOME people about a zillion times). What bothers me here is that YOU completely discounted MY testimonials because you claimed it was just my experience and then used your own personal experiences to combat it. This is a logical fallacy. That is not a good way to win a debate... But I will drop this subject entirely from now on and just stick to the meat and vittles of this conversation.

Okay, read how I explained overdosing again. I also did not say that slight use over time causes you to overdose. What I said is that if you are a frequent user, your dopamine receptors basically become dulled to the sensation. You know, it's why if you smoke a lot you need stronger / more weed to get high up to a certain point. The term "burn out" refers to someone who has overloaded their dopamine receptors so much that it effects their daily life in a rather obvious way.

I don't care who you are, if you get high when you smoke pot, you ARE overloading your dopamine receptors each time. Why do you think you feel good? That elated feeling is due to DOPAMINE RECEPTORS GOING OFF IN YOUR BRAIN. The more often this happens, the more it changes your brain's chemistry. (Indeed, smoking even ONCE has a permanent effect on how your brain registers many different neurological responses. I'm not saying that it changes you in a bad or even noticeable way, I'm just pointing out the fact.)

But you CAN overdose in the way I described if you are not used to the sensation. The combined effects of changes audio / visual perception, the general "fuzzy feeling" you get, the increased heart rate, and everything else can be overwhelming to some people. Again, this is not a reason to BAN marijuana (seeing as how lots of legal substances can do the same thing and worse to you)... I'm just telling you that you're wrong in your original arguments that marijuana is "not really a drug" and that it cannot harm you.

Agreed. Actually, I think that if someone wants to stick something in their body and it doesn't hurt anyone else, then that is their business.

You're right, it won't send you into an intense rage like some propaganda says. However, the stupid assassins nonsense is not a good point to bring up in a marijuana argument. It's stupid, it's wrong, and it does nothing to help your point. It actually makes you look bad and is self-defeating. THAT is why we are all riding you so hard about it.

You're right, cigarettes are much more dangerous than marijuana in comparison... But you should know it is not exactly harmless either. It's plenty dangerous. Although it doesn't have the cancer causing additives that cigarette companies put into their shit, you can really hurt your lungs and your lifetime.

According to the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, any substance that is inhaled, regardless of chemical makeup, releases carcinogens into the lungs and throat. In a recent study in Europe, the following was discovered / studied:

Acetaldehyde is one of the biggest causes of cancer and it is in both weed and tobacco. Indeed, tobacco has 4000 different chemicals in it and 60 are known cancer causers. ...BUUUUT pot "contains 50% more carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons including naphthalene, benzanthracene, and benzopyrene, than tobacco smoke." Furthermore:

Pretty scary stuff, yeah?



You are thinking about overdosing in terms of death. Read what I wrote before:

"What I'm saying is that for the uninitiated who have too much, it can definitely cause an acute panic anxiety reaction. People describe this reaction as an extreme fear of "losing control" and although it cannot kill you (and goes away in a few hours), it can be quite the bad experience."

You haven't had the good shit then. It definitely messes up perception enough that it can cause such a thing. Many strains of weed advertise a "trippy sensation."

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uchihademon91

i've smoked a wide variety of marijuana and never have i, or heard of anybody having a vivid, or even light visual or audio hallucination. maybe an audio hallucination as far as a drastic misinterpretation of a sound or speech. but not a self made hallucination, like hearing anonymous voices or sounds. as for visual, i never heard anybody having a self made hallucination, such as seeing something that wasn't there entirely. maybe, under the influence, their vision was strained and misconstrued an object slightly. but not enough to call it a hallucination.

the only drugs i know to cause that are acid and shrooms. especially acid in the form of eye drops.

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Miburo

Every time I smoke weed I trip balls and have all kinds of crazy as fuck hallucinations.

Guess you were wrong.

uchihademon91

i dont believe you were smokin ganja sir..... or it was laced




p.s. ha ha ha.... see wut ur doin there

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Myth

When you say P.s. we assume you didn't see what he did there...

Mal

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Originally Posted by uchihademon91 i've smoked a wide variety of marijuana and never have i, or heard of anybody having a vivid, or even light visual or audio hallucination.

DA is our resident marijuana connoisseur, so you're better off not questioning his knowledge/experience.

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Originally Posted by uchihademon91 the only drugs i know to cause that are acid and shrooms. especially acid in the form of eye drops.

Your knowledge of hallucinogenic drugs is even worse than mine, which is saying quite a bit. Maybe this will help.

uchihademon91

hallucination

–noun
1. a sensory experience of something that does not exist outside the mind, caused by various physical and mental disorders, or by reaction to certain toxic substances, and usually manifested as visual or auditory images.


hallucination is something you see or hear that does not exist. at best, when you smoke marijuana you have slight or major visual or audio misinterpretations. not full blown hallucinations.



@ mal.... i find that wierd that cannabis is placed right in the middle, its a little of everything, and yet its the least harmful substance on there.

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Mal

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Originally Posted by uchihademon91 @ mal.... i find that wierd that cannabis is placed right in the middle, its a little of everything, and yet its the least harmful substance on there.

Why is that weird? No one said those effects were innately harmful. Surely, if you're wise enough to understand complex government conspiracies, you're able to understand that it's not simply hallucinating which is harmful, but the other effects caused by those substances.

DarkAztek

I've smoked some Snow White before that made me keep seeing flecks of colors everywhere whenever I blinked. In college I tried some Thai stuff that made my ears ring in this odd chime noise. Man, I've smoked lots of weed and lots of kinds of weed and let me tell you: There is some crazy shit out there.

REGARDLESS of my own personal experiences with hallucinations, I must say that they are never major ones. It's not like acid or anything, it's just your brain filling in the missing pieces. Indeed, if you study how the brain learns and memory then you will have run into this effect before. People often take perception for granted but what we see, hear, and feel is not necessarily what actually is there. In fact, if we DID NOT have this ability then whenever we looked at anything from a different angle then we would not recognize it. It's the science behind perception.

When you smoke weed, your brain becomes a little bit fuzzier and paranoia leeks into your thoughts. (I sincerely hope you will agree with me on that much.) So, let's just say you are stoned and walking around outside at night. From the corner of your eye, you see a sudden flash of white and you move and whip your head around to see what it is... But by the time you focus, it's gone. Because you are high, it is easier to jump to a different conclusion than you might have made while sober... Or hell, you might make the same wrong conclusion about the light while sober depending upon circumstances.

Later on, when you try and describe what happened to someone, your brain fills in what it believes that light was. For this argument's sake, let's just say you thought it was a ghost. Snaps and dang! But wait, you are going to make the claim that the light MUST have existed and that is what prompted the response... Which means it is not a hallucination and therefore just confusion because there was still a stimulus that actually exists.

Okay, then let's get down a little more with a classic, silly example from a movie that can instantly be related to: Pineapple Express' phone scene.



See how stupid this discussion has gotten? Listen, I am glad that you like pot and you want to see it legalized. Cool beans... But you don't know all the facts and you really are not good at arguing them. I am begging you, PLEADING you to never again argue for legalization in public again. You hurt the cause.

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uchihademon91

seeing colors and hearing ringing aren't really hallucinations

seeing colors is just your eyes being effected to percieve light differently, not sure on specifics, but something involving the color spectrum being focused through your optical lenses. i know when im laying down sometimes and get up i can hear a slight ringing, and if i focus on it i can really hear it, but any other slight outside sound i can hear clearly. i wouldnt call that a hallucination.

every now and then, now matter who you are, you'll get a slight sensation of paranoia and psyche your self out. its usually more of a self induced paranoia, just from your thought process under the influence. for instance, if your smokin at home and your not supposed to. and some one should be coming home soon but you dont know when, and every 10 minutes you could swear that you heard a knock on the front door or the door unlocking or the car pull into the driveway, even tho your in your back yard (oddly enough your correct sometimes, it helps if you go check on every little noise tho). or your walkin down the street and your almost certain you saw the reflection of cop lights in a house window or something.

but slight color and sound disorientation that go away once you focus on them, wouldnt really be hallucinations

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