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Old 11-20-2009, 07:51 AM   #61
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Re: Naruto's Homosexuality

Went through this thread, alot of this shit doesn't have a tl;dr version so in my opinion it is instantly null and void...
I only read the awesome posts, i've marked them in red...

eitherway sasuke is a pooper trooper and naruto is his anal lab rat...
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The Homosexual Reading of Naruto


The relationship between Naruto and Sasuke is often jokingly said to be a homosexual one. This is based upon obvious events such as their accidental kiss (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/08/), and questionable behaviours such as Naruto's belief in their strong bond (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/229/14-15/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/229/16/). However, these are easy to dismiss as simple smut, the kiss was accidental and the relationship is explicitly said to be brotherly time after time. Despite this though, a further examination of events, pages and subtext argues otherwise.

Firstly, the kiss itself is interesting. Whilst it is an accident, it's intriguing that Mashashi Kishimoto had Naruto and Sasuke kiss, whilst in other shonen manga like Dragon Ball, the main character acts inappropriately with a female cast member (http://www.onemanga.com/Dragon_Ball/2/13/). This is likewise the same even in sloppy seconds like Bleach. The important thing isn't so much that Naruto and Sasuke actually kiss, it's that the author attempts to make the audience already begin to think of sexual tension between the characters. Naruto doesn't accidentally kiss Sakura, and whilst kissing Sasuke could be argued for shock value as part of the humour, with the other evidence we are about to examine it appears become less likely.

Most fans will debunk ideas of Naruto being homosexual by referencing his apparent sexuality in the manga. Notably, Naruto continually expresses his love for Sakura, he shows an interest in heterosexual porn, and he is frigid to Sai’s seemingly misinterpreted sexuality.

Naruto’s professed love for Sakura is a weak argument. Naruto has tended to only justify his attraction to her based upon her appearance (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/04/, when Jiraiya prepares him for death in training etc.), he hasn’t shown any development of this to admiration of her personality or behaviour. This suggests that his love for her is merely a crush, and something that can easily be mimicked – after all Lee has a crush on Sakura, and Naruto also witnesses most of the girls in his age group crushing on Sasuke. To have gotten this far in the manga, it’s strange for Naruto not to have mentioned something solid that he actually likes about her other than her appearance. Even instances when he appreciates her talents, such as after the time skip, are no different from when he witnesses the change in other characters.
When Sakura also confesses her love to Naruto, Naruto is blasé to it. If Naruto honestly did have an attraction to Sakura he’d have had a more emotional response in his belief of her lying to him. After being rejected so long by Sakura Naruto should be expected to be less cool to her recent behaviour in the manga.

With Sasuke on the other hand, Naruto is freely able to talk emotionally about why he considers Sasuke to be his best friend. Naruto talks of the brotherly bond which they share, the feeling of being whole around him and their companions, and the pain he feels when Sasuke is and has left him. Pages also suggest physical love (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/233/09/). Naruto is even able to give up on his dreams of Hokage because of the pain Sasuke has caused him by deserting Konoha and team 7.

Naruto is immediately attracted to Sakura, whilst with Sasuke his relationship with him blossoms over time as they are forced to spend time together. This is typical romance, from Beauty and the Beast to Jane Eyre. His tendency to see Sasuke as brother doesn’t conflict with this reading either when we consider the traditional role of bonding in Samurai culture. Naruto specifically sees Sasuke as an older brother, and as in Sparta, Japan once promoted sexual bonding between students and sensei in order to increase the efforts they put into training, and in fighting. This is only amplified by Naruto’s training alone with Jiraiya, a much older sensei who is obviously sexually active due to his visits to brothels with his student. The decision to take Naruto to spas to relax is also intriguing.

Naruto also tries his hardest to be like Sasuke, causing him to catch up to him as a rival in ability. Sakura attempts to do the same, and it’s insightful that the Naruto acts in the same way to the person she supposedly loves. Naruto is appears to be oblivious to Hinata’s attraction to him, and even when she confesses her love and almost dies for him, he doesn’t make an effort to consolidate his relationship with her. He seems to be not interested in women in general, which is furthered by his lack of interest in Jiraiya’s books despite others in the manga obsessing over them (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/12/), and by his inobservant view of Sakura after puberty (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/15/).

Critics will of course raise the issue of Naruto’s interest in the female form, and his encouragement of Konohamaru in the same practices. This is flawed, as although Naruto does look at heterosexual porn and attempts to spy on naked women, he has only done this successfully so far in order to transform himself into a beautiful woman in order to attract men (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/10/). This sex change allows him to flirt openly with his master Jiraiya, in a clearly sexual manner, encouraging pederasty (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/07/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/08/). Likewise, he instructs Konohamaru to do the same – and the end product leads to Konohamaru presenting homosexual acts using the technique (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000...0225922/10.jpg). Whilst Naruto does scold Konohamaru for this, it may well be because he does it in front of Sakura. Naruto doesn’t want her to see this, as he needs her as a facade to hide his own homosexuality, and he may do this subconsciously if he himself has not been able to come to terms with his sexuality and relationship with Sasuke. Likewise, Naruto’s interest in spying on Sakura may well be an effort to bolster his heterosexual image after being threatened (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/16/).

Leading into the last issue, this also explains why he is frigid around Sai – someone who is seemingly comfortable with their own sexuality (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/14/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/15/), because he feels that the character is forcing him to confront his own feelings. Naruto may also be attracted to Sai – perhaps because he resembles Sasuke, and attempts to pass this off as contempt towards him (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/03/).

If we interpret the Naruto world as one which discrimi
Returning to our original point, Kishimoto has deliberately seeded these ideas throughout the manga in order to make readers consider them. That said however, there have also been far more obvious expressions of his sexuality. Notably, Naruto’s defacement of the Hokage statues resembles bukkake (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/05/), he is attracted strongly to Haku whilst thinking she is a woman – he hasn’t been shown to be attracted in the same way to a genuine woman (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/21/08/), and his often attention craving behaviour appears to mimic the attitude of many adolescent women – not of most male teenagers (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/10/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/5/01/). Naruto also is probed anally by Kakashi, and attempts to reciprocate this when he is older in the anime, and also performs the move on Gaara (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/5/08/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/07/). Whilst this can be to inflict pain, it’s again questionable why the author decided to include it.

Naruto’s fights are also full of images of submission. Naruto frequently is beaten by his enemies to near fatal injury, but uses this suffering to convince his opponents differently in their beliefs. Many positions in fights shown, such as Naruto being held to the ground by Pain, or Sasuke leaning over Naruto whilst he is unconscious also are suggestive (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/435/015/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/233/17/). Furthermore Naruto’s preference for holding weapons in his mouth, biting and even farting promote thoughts on oral and anal stimulation (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/77/10/).

Several Manga covers are also suggestive of Naruto’s affection for Sasuke sexually, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/233/01/, http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/16-17/, and see annotated below:



In conclusion, Naruto may well be gay but he may not have come to terms with his sexuality yet. This is normal for someone who is 15. Arguments for his heterosexuality are undermined by many instances and the decision by Kishimoto to include homosexually suggestive actions and events provide disagreement.

tl;dr – Naruto’s a fag.
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Re: Naruto's Homosexuality

LOL!!!

"For that reason, they crossed swords" - i don't remember that..

but i do remember that naruto has a SHORT one (kunai) while sasuke has a LONG one (kusanagi)....
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Naruto wrote 1 book and that was only in a 2nd rate anime filler arc and that book was never published anyway.
I dont recall the details about Naruto writing a book. Where is the reference for that?

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Tzu Men deserves a Ph.D. degree for the thesis he just wrote.
Why not, he wouldn't be the first doctor who didn't know what he was talking about.

I don't mean to come across so negatively...I'll try to say my piece and get out.

Naruto has only ever shown aversion to anything even hinting at homosexuality. Homo-ish statements from a close friend such as Kakashi or a not-so-close friend such as Sai, has done nothing but freak Naruto out and have him state outright that he is not "that way".

The only person that naruto has ever wanted to date, kiss, or otherwise has been Sakura. Because of her feelings for Sasuke, he has put away those feelis in favor of having team 7 reunited.

If a character expresses thoughts outright or especially in a thought bubble, you should take it at face value and not try to assign your own meaning to it. Just thought I'd say that.

Sexy-no-jutsu...It is, what it is. A jutsu for distracting an opponent. Say what you will, but it has been used successfully against a Jonin, a Kage and a Sannin, and I fully expect it to come back one more time against Madara. Like Rasen Shuriken, it is Naruto's original Jutsu.

Finally, even if during the next chapter, naruto was to walk up to Sasuke, give him a hug and a big sloppy kiss. It would be because he was trying to save a frien from self destruction, because Naruto is not gay (unless that bullshit that Sakura pulled has put him off women forever )
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The only thing I can say is: if Freud was alive, he'd have a lot of fun with this thread
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Re: Naruto's Homosexuality

Wow - that is a lot of effort by a lot of people on a very unimportant topic. Keep up the inane work.

Here's my take: Naruto is asexual. He has had minor crushes, but overall, he doesn't have a clue either way. In fact, I'd argue he's so focused on training and life that any sort of sexuality hasn't even come into play. He's a confused teenager with a bunch of adult ninja's coming to kill him and the first "friend" he's ever had has betrayed his very way of life, running to the enemy. Yeah... he's totally got time for thoughts on sex. let alone a normal life.

Time to get over it. Arguments for both sides are circumstantial and don't hold up because Naruto has never made his intentions known. But, I would tend to agree that the kiss was for comedy and nothing more and if the only thoughts you have are that Naruto is pursuing Sasuke because he's gay for him, well... you've must have never had a brother or a friend who meant anything to you.

This manga is not about sexual orientation... let's get back to discussing the true goal - who has the ultimate uber-hax.
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Went through this thread, alot of this shit doesn't have a tl;dr version so in my opinion it is instantly null and void...
I only read the awesome posts, i've marked them in red...

eitherway sasuke is a pooper trooper and naruto is his anal lab rat...
Man C'Mon Son!!! GTFOH with that bullshit!!! The only reason you aint read that shit is because it makes what you and your buddies(Yeeah I know all of you that believe this dumb shit all just happen to be friends) say about Naruto sound stupid as fuck. Admit it. Actually read my post AND The Sixth Hokage's post and come up with something better than circumstantial evidence and personal opinion. Dont get me wrong I thought Tzu Men was joking at first but when I seen he actually was trying to bring out "proof" I had to write that lengthy ass shit with all his "evidence" included showing that really all he was saying is his own personal opinion and not canon evidence. And since I didnt know what the fuck tl dr meant at first...


tl dr: If believe this dumbass shit without looking at both sides you ARE AN EPIC FAIL.
tl dr: STUPID
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Re: Naruto's Homosexuality

you provided manga panels to argue that naruto is a homo.
maybe there are few pages in the manga that can prove naruto is not a homo.
the rest of the manga, doesn't say that naruto is a homo.

i dont give a fuck,gay or not, as long as he is bad-ass.. lol XD
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Unlike every single other thread in this forum area, the OP actually put a good amount of effort into his post... It was well written, well organized, and he argued his point well enough that the burden of proof is now upon you nay-sayers.

(Also: Now that I look around this area a bit more, I am seriously surprised at the flagrant spam that is everywhere here... Not to mention other rule violations. Looks like I've got work to do.)

Honestly, he's gotta be only 16, 17 years old? Naruto is in an interesting phase of life where adolescents tend to figure out their sexuality. This theory holds some water until we finally see him get with Hinata or Sakura... Or Sasuke.
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Unlike every single other thread in this forum area, the OP actually put a good amount of effort into his post... It was well written, well organized, and he argued his point well enough that the burden of proof is now upon you nay-sayers.

(Also: Now that I look around this area a bit more, I am seriously surprised at the flagrant spam that is everywhere here... Not to mention other rule violations. Looks like I've got work to do.)

Honestly, he's gotta be only 16, 17 years old? Naruto is in an interesting phase of life where adolescents tend to figure out their sexuality. This theory holds some water until we finally see him get with Hinata or Sakura... Or Sasuke.
Pleeeeeeeeeease. Tell me where I am wrong in my arguments against his "evidence".
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Re: Naruto's Homosexuality

I can't believe i missed this thread...

My regards to the OP for his serious work and for all those who helped proven the fact that naruto is homosexual.

As for all those who believe otherwise i suggest,unless you want to look stupid,to backup your theories with evidence from the manga like OP,which i highly doubt that you will find one,and try to read carefully and respect others theories as much as you want them to do to yours.

In my personal opinion i think that naruto's homosexuality had been proven clearly without leaving a void for anyone to prove otherwise,unless the writer decide to make a twist like he always do and turn things the other way around i suggest for this thread to be closed and remain sticky beacuse it will be ruined from all the useless posts.

It's official now..
Naruto is gay..
Live with it..
And have a nice day.
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this thread sucks..
Yet another astounding counter-argument from the Naruto Manga section.

Seriously, you guys are expert debaters.

Mass debaters. Ur hur hur.
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I can't believe i missed this thread...

My regards to the OP for his serious work and for all those who helped proven the fact that naruto is homosexual.

As for all those who believe otherwise i suggest,unless you want to look stupid,to backup your theories with evidence from the manga like OP,which i highly doubt that you will find one,and try to read carefully and respect others theories as much as you want them to do to yours.

In my personal opinion i think that naruto's homosexuality had been proven clearly without leaving a void for anyone to prove otherwise,unless the writer decide to make a twist like he always do and turn things the other way around i suggest for this thread to be closed and remain sticky beacuse it will be ruined from all the useless posts.

It's official now..
Naruto is gay..
Live with it..
And have a nice day.
And I took every bit of his "evidence" and proven it to be and interpretation of OPINION and not FACT. When I first seen this thread, I actually checked his manga "evidence" and stated why it is merely his OPINION and not fact. Refer to my post on page 4 and tell me how that is canon. I also backed up my evidence WITH HIS MANGA "EVIDENCE". But until YOU can prove how my rebuttal is not valid......The boy is not a Butt Pirate. Dumbass maybe, but not gay man.
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