Just a Thought THREAD - Page 11

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-08-2010, 04:26 PM

why cant a clone hold the "beta"/non-SM rasenshuriken? we have seen clones holding normal rasengans so why cant it hold a "beta" rasenshuriken. Even if it had to be two clones it would still have been great for pre-SM naruto :S Well probably a clone can, but how the story was developing and everything naruto didn't really have a chance to use it like that (because he went into SM training soon after learning "beta" rasenshuriken). But still it seems odd that nobody thought have that.(IMO) Definitely a plot choice on kishi's part.

Oh and if people think that the cellular damage would transfer to the real naruto, i hardly doubt it.
1 the clone would probably disperse
2 What transfers is purely mental . If it was possible for a clone to break an arm and not disperse because of it, after that when naruto would cancel the jutsu he would probably feel the pain of a broken arm, but without it physically being broken (something similar to amputees in real life)

Ero-Sage · 03-08-2010, 07:18 PM

I agree he should be able to use the fuuton rasengan with a clone. Physical damage doesn't transfer or any time a clone got hit and dispersed it would hurt the user. Which it doesn't. Great tactic. He can throw the FRS and flank the enemy when they dodge and have a clone with the fuuton raengan waiting for him.

Najiro · 03-08-2010, 07:25 PM

didn't he do that already once??? didn't Naruto us a clone with a Rasenshuriken against kakuzu to distract him while using 1 himself too.

Krohnie84 · 03-08-2010, 07:40 PM

I think the main reason a clone can't execute the FR is due to the pain/damage you have to take to perform it. We all know that Naruto suffered damage when he used it against Kakuzu, perhaps you have to endure a lot of pain/damage to finish executing the jutsu? something a clone couldn't hold up against?

HAxx · 03-09-2010, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Krohnie84

I think the main reason a clone can't execute the FR is due to the pain/damage you have to take to perform it. We all know that Naruto suffered damage when he used it against Kakuzu, perhaps you have to endure a lot of pain/damage to finish executing the jutsu? something a clone couldn't hold up against?

But Narutos clones get f'ed all the time, never affects naruto. So the clone using the jutsu would get blown up, but nothing more. Also never said if making the jutsu hurts or not, so no way of knowing.

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Krohnie84

I think the main reason a clone can't execute the FR is due to the pain/damage you have to take to perform it. We all know that Naruto suffered damage when he used it against Kakuzu, perhaps you have to endure a lot of pain/damage to finish executing the jutsu? something a clone couldn't hold up against?

Making the technque doesn't harm naruto, so it shouldn't harm his clone either. It's the actual damage the move makes when it hit's that damages naruto. He experienced some backlash from the move, similar to the recoil of a gun being shot. Basically you could say the backlash of the technique on naruto was about 5%-10% (my speculation) of what happened to kakauza. If he used it regularly it would have a much worse effect on his body then sasuke's constant MS spamming. Now that naruto can throw he doesn't have to worry about that. But it require SM to throw so ONLY he can. No shadow clones.

Also theirs the chakra limit of using it. Shadow clones split naruto's chakra evenly, but I don't think that applies to the fox chakra(I could be wrong though). So basically a clone with 1/3 of naruto's chakra (just his chakra and not the fox's) shouldn't be enough to make a FR. Not when he can't even summon without the fox's power, and I would think summons would be easier to do than FR.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-09-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

Making the technque doesn't harm naruto, so it shouldn't harm his clone either. It's the actual damage the move makes when it hit's that damages naruto. He experienced some backlash from the move, similar to the recoil of a gun being shot. Basically you could say the backlash of the technique on naruto was about 5%-10% (my speculation) of what happened to kakauza. If he used it regularly it would have a much worse effect on his body then sasuke's constant MS spamming. Now that naruto can throw he doesn't have to worry about that. But it require SM to throw so ONLY he can. No shadow clones.

Also theirs the chakra limit of using it. Shadow clones split naruto's chakra evenly, but I don't think that applies to the fox chakra(I could be wrong though). So basically a clone with 1/3 of naruto's chakra (just his chakra and not the fox's) shouldn't be enough to make a FR. Not when he can't even summon without the fox's power, and I would think summons would be easier to do than FR.

This makes no sense. he already uses two clones to make it so that means he would only have 1/3 of the chakra, just like the clone

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

This makes no sense. he already uses two clones to make it so that means he would only have 1/3 of the chakra, just like the clone

It makes perfect sense if you actually understood what I said, which you obviously didn't.

Naruto has access to the fox's chkara to help him perform techniques while his clones don't. When he first summoned gama bunta he needed fox chakra to do it. Making a FR or a rasen-shuriken also requires a lot of chakra. To do this naruto summons up his chakra which is augmented with fox chakra. The clones merely add nature element and perform shape manipulation, neither of which use a ton of chakra.

If naruto tried to let his clone make a rasen-shuriken that clone wold be limited to only 1/3 of naruto's chakra and absolutely none of the fox's. Naruto's clone just wouldn't have the pure chakra levels that the original has. Trust me if naruto in SM can only use the tech twice then a clone with NO SAGE OR FOX CHAKRA and only 1/3 of naruto's chakra wouldn't stand a chance of being able to do it.

superninja · 03-09-2010, 01:22 PM

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Trust me if naruto in SM can only use the tech twice then a clone with NO SAGE OR FOX CHAKRA and only 1/3 of naruto's chakra wouldn't stand a chance of being able to do it.

That is a speculation still, but I think Naruto could do it with one third of his chakra, he has a lot of chakra. Plus I think Naruto made several clones and then the rasenshuriken against Kakuzu. Now, when he made those clones he should have distributed his chakra evenly so each body had the access to a portion of chakra. BUT rasenshuriken is made by couple of clones so they each contribute to making it.

Here's a thought, when Naruto went kyuubi one time, every clone felt the effects of the kyubi chakra so that means that kyubi chakra goes to the clones as well but they dispersed for some reason. If Naruto could access kyubi chakra and take as much as he needs then he could in theory make more clones than he already can. Maybe Kishimoto will have to draw a million clones in the future.

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by superninja

Here's a thought, when Naruto went kyuubi one time, every clone felt the effects of the kyubi chakra so that means that kyubi chakra goes to the clones as well but they dispersed for some reason. If Naruto could access kyubi chakra and take as much as he needs then he could in theory make more clones than he already can. Maybe Kishimoto will have to draw a million clones in the future.

Are you referring to the kakashi and naruto Vs. diedara fight? In that fight the clones were in pain because naruto was using the fox's chakra. When naruto started forming the 3rd tail they couldn't take any more and dispersed. So I guess the fox's chakra does flow into his clones somehow, but they don't seem to be able to use it. Only the original nauto has ever been shown using fox chakra and/or fox cloak/tails.

Also naruto's clone don't contribute much chakra to the forming of rasen-shuriken. He supplies the vast majority of it. All 1 clone does is add the spinning motion to it (shape manipulation), while the other adds wind element (elemental manipulation). The vast majority of the RAW chakra come from the original who actually holds the tech in his hands. Think about it. If the clones were providing power for rasen-shuriken then as soon a they disappeared (which they usually do after forming the attack) the move would begin to power down. The only time that ever happened was against kakuza which was explained by kakashi that naruto simply lost control of the tech because he wasn't use to using that much chakra at one time.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-09-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

It makes perfect sense if you actually understood what I said, which you obviously didn't.

Naruto has access to the fox's chkara to help him perform techniques while his clones don't. When he first summoned gama bunta he needed fox chakra to do it. Making a FR or a rasen-shuriken also requires a lot of chakra. To do this naruto summons up his chakra which is augmented with fox chakra. The clones merely add nature element and perform shape manipulation, neither of which use a ton of chakra.

If naruto tried to let his clone make a rasen-shuriken that clone wold be limited to only 1/3 of naruto's chakra and absolutely none of the fox's. Naruto's clone just wouldn't have the pure chakra levels that the original has. Trust me if naruto in SM can only use the tech twice then a clone with NO SAGE OR FOX CHAKRA and only 1/3 of naruto's chakra wouldn't stand a chance of being able to do it.

The manga will speak for me (and against you):
http://beta.onemanga.com/Naruto/329/02/
http://beta.onemanga.com/Naruto/329/03/

Enough said

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 04:40 PM

LMAO, so a clone going crazy and trying to kill anyone it see's (including naruto himself) is your idea of "successfully" using the technique. I swear you bring me more lulz then anyone on this forum.

Wait I take that back. trueuchiha brings me more lulz.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-09-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

LMAO, so a clone going crazy and trying to kill anyone it see's (including naruto himself) is your idea of "successfully" using the technique. I swear you bring me more lulz then anyone on this forum.

Wait I take that back. trueuchiha brings me more lulz.

lol dude, you said that clones dont have access to the kyuubi, that post was to prove you wrong

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 05:51 PM

^Ok, so that clone did use fox chakra. There's no denying that. Though it was under rather unusual circumstances. It was kind of weird how it happened. That clone was just minding it's own business while training and then suddenly BAM it's a freakin' 3-tails. WTF? it wasn't even mad about anything, yet it was more pissed off then naruto would get from watching ramen guy get killed. IDK, maybe it has something to do with the clones personality not being as strong as the original, or maybe the clones lack the seal naruto has to suppress the fox. Either way a crazy clone with a S-ranked attack in it's hands isn't the best tactic to use in battle.

Oh, btw my original point still stands. Without SM or fox chakra(which that clone had) a clone couldn't do Rasen-shuriken.

What would happen if yamato didn't surpress the fox's chakra? Would that clone have gone 9-tails?

superninja · 03-09-2010, 05:54 PM

Now I am confused, I thought only the original can initiate the fox chakra but the clones can use it coz they are energy linked. But now the clones can access the kyuubi chakra by themselves. What happens to the original then? Kishimoto made it confusing and maybe a little inconsistent.

03-08-2010, 07:18 PM	#152
Ero-Sage Perverted Hermit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In a van down by the river. Posts: 884 Thanks: 1,242 Thanked 379 Times in 215 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I agree he should be able to use the fuuton rasengan with a clone. Physical damage doesn't transfer or any time a clone got hit and dispersed it would hurt the user. Which it doesn't. Great tactic. He can throw the FRS and flank the enemy when they dodge and have a clone with the fuuton raengan waiting for him.

03-08-2010, 07:25 PM	#153
Najiro Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 514 Thanks: 587 Thanked 254 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD didn't he do that already once??? didn't Naruto us a clone with a Rasenshuriken against kakuzu to distract him while using 1 himself too.

03-08-2010, 07:40 PM	#154
Krohnie84 Jounin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minnesota Age: 29 Posts: 945 Thanks: 197 Thanked 217 Times in 139 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I think the main reason a clone can't execute the FR is due to the pain/damage you have to take to perform it. We all know that Naruto suffered damage when he used it against Kakuzu, perhaps you have to endure a lot of pain/damage to finish executing the jutsu? something a clone couldn't hold up against? __________________ "Never go back on your word... and never give up, no matter how bad it gets. That's your Ninja way." Jiraiya Ero-Sennin.

03-09-2010, 04:40 PM	#162
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,061 Thanks: 8,850 Thanked 3,368 Times in 1,502 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD LMAO, so a clone going crazy and trying to kill anyone it see's (including naruto himself) is your idea of "successfully" using the technique. I swear you bring me more lulz then anyone on this forum. Wait I take that back. trueuchiha brings me more lulz. __________________

03-09-2010, 05:51 PM	#164
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,061 Thanks: 8,850 Thanked 3,368 Times in 1,502 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD ^Ok, so that clone did use fox chakra. There's no denying that. Though it was under rather unusual circumstances. It was kind of weird how it happened. That clone was just minding it's own business while training and then suddenly BAM it's a freakin' 3-tails. WTF? it wasn't even mad about anything, yet it was more pissed off then naruto would get from watching ramen guy get killed. IDK, maybe it has something to do with the clones personality not being as strong as the original, or maybe the clones lack the seal naruto has to suppress the fox. Either way a crazy clone with a S-ranked attack in it's hands isn't the best tactic to use in battle. Oh, btw my original point still stands. Without SM or fox chakra(which that clone had) a clone couldn't do Rasen-shuriken. What would happen if yamato didn't surpress the fox's chakra? Would that clone have gone 9-tails? __________________

03-09-2010, 05:54 PM	#165
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Now I am confused, I thought only the original can initiate the fox chakra but the clones can use it coz they are energy linked. But now the clones can access the kyuubi chakra by themselves. What happens to the original then? Kishimoto made it confusing and maybe a little inconsistent. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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