Just a Thought THREAD - Page 12

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-09-2010, 06:05 PM

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^Ok, so that clone did use fox chakra. There's no denying that. Though it was under rather unusual circumstances. It was kind of weird how it happened. That clone was just minding it's own business while training and then suddenly BAM it's a freakin' 3-tails. WTF? it wasn't even mad about anything, yet it was more pissed off then naruto would get from watching ramen guy get killed. IDK, maybe it has something to do with the clones personality not being as strong as the original, or maybe the clones lack the seal naruto has to suppress the fox. Either way a crazy clone with a S-ranked attack in it's hands isn't the best tactic to use in battle.

Oh, btw my original point still stands. Without SM or fox chakra(which that clone had) a clone couldn't do Rasen-shuriken.

What would happen if yamato didn't surpress the fox's chakra? Would that clone have gone 9-tails?

That happened because naruto and 200 clones were training for a long peroid of time, their chakra pool decreased, and when naruto has low ~0 chakra the kyuubi comes out, thats what happened. Its the same for the real naruto. Remember when J-Man was firsst teaching him how to use the kyuubi? he had to first deplete his original chakra to gain access (easily) to the chakra.

From your post I understood that you believe that the fox only comes out when hes mad. LOL to that. Yeah, it happens the most, but thats not everything. EX. Remember Naruto vs Neji.

Oh and your original theory doesn't stand. You said the difference was in chakra, that without the kyuubi a clone couldn't do it, becuase the clone doesn't have access to the kyuubi, i proved that wrong. SM has nothing to do with it at all (reread my posts if you dont understand why).

When naruto makes the clones, the clones can do everything the real body does (as the real body has the same amount of chakra as any given clone). they are essentially exactly the same, except for one thing. When the clone receives damage it disperses. Why would you think that a clone is weaker (offensively, we know it can't take that much damage) than the real body?

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

That happened because naruto and 200 clones were training for a long peroid of time, their chakra pool decreased, and when naruto has low ~0 chakra the kyuubi comes out, thats what happened. Its the same for the real naruto. Remember when J-Man was firsst teaching him how to use the kyuubi? he had to first deplete his original chakra to gain access (easily) to the chakra.

LOL, are you saying every time naruto gets low on chakra he turns into kyuubi.

J-mans training only allowed him to tap into a minuscule portion of fox chakra.

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From your post I understood that you believe that the fox only comes out when hes mad. LOL to that. Yeah, it happens the most, but thats not everything. EX. Remember Naruto vs Neji.

He only goes fox cloak/tails when he's pissed, neither of which he did against neji. He summoned up a tiny bit of fox chakra, that only looked impressive because he was fighting another genin. If he had done that against a serious opponent (like kakashi, zabuza, or most jonin) they would have annihilated him. Even orochimaru mocked him in 3-tails mode.

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Oh and your original theory doesn't stand. You said the difference was in chakra, that without the kyuubi a clone couldn't do it, because the clone doesn't have access to the kyuubi, i proved that wrong. SM has nothing to do with it at all (reread my posts if you dont understand why).

You do know the ability to do something without any control of it is totally retarded don't you. That's like building a race-car to go 300 m.p.h. and not giving it a steering wheel. LMAO!!!!
So a crazy KN3 clone that doesn't even recognize naruto as a friend doesn't prove you right.

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When naruto makes the clones, the clones can do everything the real body does (as the real body has the same amount of chakra as any given clone). they are essentially exactly the same, except for one thing. When the clone receives damage it disperses. Why would you think that a clone is weaker (offensively, we know it can't take that much damage) than the real body?

Naruto can actually go KN2 and not be completely insane or attack his friends. Apparently his clones can't now can they. See the difference??? A clone is made with a fixed amount of chakra, once it uses it up it through. The original can recover chakra by resting. See the difference???

superninja · 03-09-2010, 07:16 PM

I have a theory that the clones and the original share the chakra all the time. That means when the clone disperses the original has more chakra to himself and vice versa , more clones - they share the chakra. The chakra belongs to all of them. So when one taps into kyubi (original or clone) they all go kyubi.
When lets say the clone uses rasengan, then he decreases the chakra for all of them.

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by superninja

I have a theory that the clones and the original share the chakra all the time. That means when the clone disperses the original has more chakra to himself and vice versa , more clones - they share the chakra. The chakra belongs to all of them. So when one taps into kyubi (original or clone) they all go kyubi.
When lets say the clone uses rasengan, then he decreases the chakra for all of them.

It's a good idea (and I personally like it), but is there any manga proof of it happening? It also doesn't explain why only 1 of naruto's clones started going kyuubi while the other 199 didn't.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-09-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

LOL, are you saying every time naruto gets low on chakra he turns into kyuubi.

J-mans training only allowed him to tap into a minuscule portion of fox chakra.

He only goes fox cloak/tails when he's pissed, neither of which he did against neji. He summoned up a tiny bit of fox chakra, that only looked impressive because he was fighting another genin. If he had done that against a serious opponent (like kakashi, zabuza, or most jonin) they would have annihilated him. Even orochimaru mocked him in 3-tails mode.

You do know the ability to do something without any control of it is totally retarded don't you. That's like building a race-car to go 300 m.p.h. and not giving it a steering wheel. LMAO!!!!
So a crazy KN3 clone that doesn't even recognize naruto as a friend doesn't prove you right.

Naruto can actually go KN2 and not be completely insane or attack his friends. Apparently his clones can't now can they. See the difference??? A clone is made with a fixed amount of chakra, once it uses it up it through. The original can recover chakra by resting. See the difference???

Why does any of that matter? You tried weak attempts to show that a clone couldn't do it. You since he doesn't have the kyuubi or SM it cant. Well i proved that it can access the kyuubi, and why would it need SM?

Did you read the spoiler tag, its a bit offensive but its true:

Edit: your gibberish about him using the fox is also idiotic, but lets just stick to the above to prove that you are wrong

He does NOT use the kyuubi to make. He does NOT use SM to make it? If you understand that, and you are still saying a clone cant, could you please explain why?

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Also theirs the chakra limit of using it. Shadow clones split naruto's chakra evenly, but I don't think that applies to the fox chakra(I could be wrong though). So basically a clone with 1/3 of naruto's chakra (just his chakra and not the fox's) shouldn't be enough to make a FR. Not when he can't even summon without the fox's power, and I would think summons would be easier to do than FR.This makes no sense. he already uses two clones to make it so that means he would only have 1/3 of the chakra, just like the clone

Dude, this is you original that you were wanting me to refer to.
1. I proved clones have kyuubi
2. which makes 1 irrelevant. He does NOT you neither KYUUBI OR SM. He uses only his own chakra! which the real body would have the same amount of as any given clone.

Do YOU understand that??

What more do i have to do to disprove you?

P.S. To everybody. I'm not saying that a clone has to be able to do it, but his reasons are not valid at all, and thats what i am disproving.

ask me anything · 03-09-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Why does any of that matter? You tried weak attempts to show that a clone couldn't do it. You since he doesn't have the kyuubi or SM it cant. Well i proved that it can access the kyuubi, and why would it need SM?

If by access you mean "be completely taken over and turn into a maniac" then sure it can buddy. Just like I can access my car and ZOMG RUN OVER PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE STREET RAWRRRRRRR.

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He does NOT use the kyuubi to make. He does NOT use SM to make it? If you understand that, and you are still saying a clone cant, could you please explain why?

lololololololololololololololololololol, yeah sure he didn't need kyuubi to make it. Because he didn't have the fox's eyes when he fought kakuza. Oh, wait he did didn't he.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/339/15/

Just look at the link, read it carefully, and stop talking. Your lack of knowledge is just embarrassing yourself.

Naruto needs a masive power source to use either his beta version or the final RS version. YES HE DOES NEED KYUUBI OR SM!!!! He can't do it without either one. Only he can use kyuubi chakra without going insane. HIS CLONES CAN'T. So as it stands now his clones just can't do it. IF YOU CAN BRING YOURSELF TO UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE FACTS THEN GOOD. I won't hold my breath though.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-10-2010, 02:40 AM

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If by access you mean "be completely taken over and turn into a maniac" then sure it can buddy. Just like I can access my car and ZOMG RUN OVER PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE STREET RAWRRRRRRR.

lololololololololololololololololololol, yeah sure he didn't need kyuubi to make it. Because he didn't have the fox's eyes when he fought kakuza. Oh, wait he did didn't he.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/339/15/

Just look at the link, read it carefully, and stop talking. Your lack of knowledge is just embarrassing yourself.

Naruto needs a masive power source to use either his beta version or the final RS version. YES HE DOES NEED KYUUBI OR SM!!!! He can't do it without either one. Only he can use kyuubi chakra without going insane. HIS CLONES CAN'T. So as it stands now his clones just can't do it. IF YOU CAN BRING YOURSELF TO UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE FACTS THEN GOOD. I won't hold my breath though.

Didn't naruto come there straight from training? thats why he needed the kyuubi (maybe i am wrong about that). Sorry about that, i was sleep deprived and not thinking right. I may be wrong.

LOL. How do you know a clone can only use the kyuubi and go berserk, whoever said that.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/341/08/

Najiro · 03-10-2010, 06:24 AM

just to add something to that. The kage bunshin was holding the RS, even if it was only a diversion of the fake diversion

Krohnie84 · 03-10-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Najiro

just to add something to that. The kage bunshin was holding the RS, even if it was only a diversion of the fake diversion

Their discussion is about a clone being able to make the FR/RS with/ or without Kyuubi/SM, and I think it also includes if the clone can use it or just hold it.

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Didn't naruto come there straight from training? that’s why he needed the kyuubi (maybe i am wrong about that). Sorry about that, i was sleep deprived and not thinking right. I may be wrong.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/341/08/

Yes he did, and Kakuzu even had a comment on how Naruto looked. (<?) I agree with this comment because Naruto would have needed the extra chakra right after his training to perform the FR.

I just want to add that it has been proven that a clone can make/maintain the FR but my opinion is that the clone cannot execute the jutsu because the damage that is inflicted onto the user when it is used.

Here is the main point> Holding/making are completely different from using/executing. Once he tries to push it into Kakuzu he starts taking damage and I don't think a clone could hold out long enough to fully execute the jutsu.

superninja · 03-11-2010, 05:36 PM

Regarding this latest chapter, Naruto wants to fight Sasuke. It's a necessity I suppose, but don't you think that makes Madara stronger? Who can stop Madara? Naruto and Sasuke. And they are going to go at each other? It doesn't make sense, I mean they can go at Madara after they finish fighting each other, but realistically they would be improving Madara's position if they fight each other.

batonnoir · 03-22-2010, 12:23 PM

It is said that Kabuto was discovered as the sole survivor on a battlefield. I have a strange feeling that that battlefield may have been the former Whirlpool country...and if that's possible, then it's also possible that Kabuto may be related to Naruto. I've often wondered why Kabuto often seems to be "nice" to Naruto? Uncle Kabuto has a nice ring to it.

(I realize this theory doesn't have a shred of proof. It's just a hunch open for discussion and I have a pretty good track record on my hunches.)

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-22-2010, 12:33 PM

it really does have a nice ring to it

ask me anything · 03-22-2010, 08:04 PM

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It is said that Kabuto was discovered as the sole survivor on a battlefield. I have a strange feeling that that battlefield may have been the former Whirlpool country...and if that's possible, then it's also possible that Kabuto may be related to Naruto. I've often wondered why Kabuto often seems to be "nice" to Naruto? Uncle Kabuto has a nice ring to it.

(I realize this theory doesn't have a shred of proof. It's just a hunch open for discussion and I have a pretty good track record on my hunches.)

It's a cool theory, but the timeline doesn't work out. Naruto's mom (kushina?) was a survivor of the whirlpool village. When tsunade was talking to Jiriaya about her, she described her as a tomboy as a child. This indicates kushina came to the village as a child (5-10? maybe). Kabuto being only a few years older then naruto shouldn't even be born yet.

liondemon · 03-22-2010, 08:47 PM

I believe it was said that the old Mizukage raged war against all kekke genkai's in the Mist village. Maybe the Whirlpool was in the Mist and was mainly full of some kekke genkai family, maybe even Mizukage's family or Haku's family.

Sasori 1st had Kabuto under his control. It was probaby Sasori that destroyed whatever village Kabuto was found in

freedom07 · 03-22-2010, 08:52 PM

kabuto was from konoha

03-09-2010, 07:16 PM	#168
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD I have a theory that the clones and the original share the chakra all the time. That means when the clone disperses the original has more chakra to himself and vice versa , more clones - they share the chakra. The chakra belongs to all of them. So when one taps into kyubi (original or clone) they all go kyubi. When lets say the clone uses rasengan, then he decreases the chakra for all of them. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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Najiro Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 514 Thanks: 587 Thanked 254 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD just to add something to that. The kage bunshin was holding the RS, even if it was only a diversion of the fake diversion

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superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD Regarding this latest chapter, Naruto wants to fight Sasuke. It's a necessity I suppose, but don't you think that makes Madara stronger? Who can stop Madara? Naruto and Sasuke. And they are going to go at each other? It doesn't make sense, I mean they can go at Madara after they finish fighting each other, but realistically they would be improving Madara's position if they fight each other. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

03-22-2010, 12:23 PM	#176
batonnoir Chuunin Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 488 Thanks: 804 Thanked 182 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD It is said that Kabuto was discovered as the sole survivor on a battlefield. I have a strange feeling that that battlefield may have been the former Whirlpool country...and if that's possible, then it's also possible that Kabuto may be related to Naruto. I've often wondered why Kabuto often seems to be "nice" to Naruto? Uncle Kabuto has a nice ring to it. (I realize this theory doesn't have a shred of proof. It's just a hunch open for discussion and I have a pretty good track record on my hunches.) __________________ Unsolved Mysteries. Kimmimaru's Disease no jutsu Itachi's Disease no Jutsu Izuna's "Death"? Obito's other eye Nagato's Disease no jutsu

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freedom07 SASUKE'S TRUE #1 FAN!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SASUKE Age: 25 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 390 Posts	Re: Just a Thought THREAD kabuto was from konoha

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