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Old 06-17-2010, 05:05 PM   #136
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

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What you guys don't understand is that madara is speaking figuritively. Naruto is Senju, in the sense that he posses the will of fire and follows the way of the previous kages and obides by their morals and traditions, now if those values, and traditions originate from the senju than it is in a way Uchiha vs. Senju. Their values, morals, traditions, and points of view are at battle at this point not the races literally fighting. it's symbolic.
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

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Except that this is not what this is about. Kushina being a previous Jink for the Kyuubi DOES make sense. But HR made the argument for it when there was no evidence to back it up, and he couldn't make any kind of decent argument, yet he states every theory he has as "MANGA FACT!" Now he's here acting like HIS ARGUMENTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! Which they weren't. The theory was proven true, his arguments proved nothing.

Need I say it again? The THEORY and the ARGUMENT FOR IT are not one and the same. The THEORY of Kushina being a previous Jink is logical and plausible, given the right argument. HR's arguments are so incredibly bad that he only makes people doubt what he thinks is true more.
Ok like I've said before you saw things differently form me .. the only thing I argued was that there was a previous jink for the 9 tails based on things I came across in the story .(patterns that I picked up) I mentioned all the villages having sealing techniques for the biju

I said Kuomo knowing about common practices for sealing Chiyo sealing Gaara and a lot of other things which led me to say there was a previous 9 tails jink.. When Kuomo showed up wit the sealing pot and multiple jinks that was all I needed . to form my opinion

Everyone shouted no. ok fine I get that.. just because what lead me to my conclusion you dind't buy into .. doesn't take away from me being right and it doesn't make it dumb luck either .. just because someone gets a pizza with 10 toppings on it and I get mine with 3 .. we both ordered a pizza( yes I talk in crazy metaphors.. it's what I do)

[Quote=uchihamadara;1822859]What you guys don't understand is that madara is speaking figuritively. Naruto is Senju, in the sense that he posses the will of fire and follows the way of the previous kages and obides by their morals and traditions, now if those values, and traditions originate from the senju than it is in a way Uchiha vs. Senju. Their values, morals, traditions, and points of view are at battle at this point not the races literally fighting. it's symbolic. [quote]


IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?


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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

HR only 2 are Senju on that mountain and Nobody ever called all the hokage Senju so please show us your so called evidence.
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Except that this is not what this is about. Kushina being a previous Jink for the Kyuubi DOES make sense. But HR made the argument for it when there was no evidence to back it up, and he couldn't make any kind of decent argument, yet he states every theory he has as "MANGA FACT!" Now he's here acting like HIS ARGUMENTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! Which they weren't. The theory was proven true, his arguments proved nothing.

Need I say it again? The THEORY and the ARGUMENT FOR IT are not one and the same. The THEORY of Kushina being a previous Jink is logical and plausible, given the right argument. HR's arguments are so incredibly bad that he only makes people doubt what he thinks is true more.
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my believe only his thinking and actions is like the Senju but he just isn't though I do think he's a descendant from the youngest son trough his mother.

Wouldn't that make him Senju if he's the descendant of the younger son.. that by definition is what really defines a Senju isn't it?
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

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Ok like I've said before you saw things differently form me .. the only thing I argued was that there was a previous jink for the 9 tails based on things I came across in the story .(patterns that I picked up) I mentioned all the villages having sealing techniques for the biju

I said Kuomo knowing about common practices for sealing Chiyo sealing Gaara and a lot of other things which led me to say there was a previous 9 tails jink.. When Kuomo showed up wit the sealing pot and multiple jinks that was all I needed . to form my opinion

Everyone shouted no. ok fine I get that.. just because what lead me to my conclusion you dind't buy into .. doesn't take away from me being right and it doesn't make it dumb luck either .. just because someone gets a pizza with 10 toppings on it and I get mine with 3 .. we both ordered a pizza( yes I talk in crazy metaphors.. it's what I do)

IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?


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1. This was your chain of logic long before Kushina was revealed as the jink on why there would be a previous jink:

-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who is related to Minato Namikaze
-The Great Ninja Villages often used people with close relation to the Kage for Jinks
-There must have been a previous Kyuubi Jink.

See why that logic chain doesn't work?

This is the Senju logic chain you're trying to argue:

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

Again, SEE HOW THAT LOGIC DOESN'T WORK!? The theory being right does not mean your arguments ever were. Get that through your head. Your "crazy metaphor" does not illustrate the situation at all. It's not a "crazy metaphor", it's just bullshit.

You're saying "you guys don't understand, I think he's speaking figuratively, just that he's also saying that Naruto's literally a Senju and Sasuke's an Uchiha." THAT'S WHAT LITERALLY MEANS YOU DUMBFUCK. YOU ARE ONLY COMPREHENDING WHAT MADARA SAID BASED ON THE WORDS HE USED, NOT WHAT HE MEANT BY THEM IN ANY WAY.

If Naruto turns out to be Senju, but not based on any of the points you made, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?[/QUOTE]



Not really buddy. HR you are definately on to something. We are not gonna really find out the truth unless kishi states in Bold Italic words in a bubble that naruto is a Senju. I like theories but until he writes it thats all it is going to be a theory. Im not here to burst your bubble i hope your theory is correct cause that would be bad ass, more than Naruto having the belief system of the will of fire of a Senju.
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

no because getting to the Senju probably took many generations.

Because I believe both the hyuuga and the Uchiha came from the 1st son but 1 took op the chain of hatred and the other didn't. Just like How the Uchiha and the Senju were actually one family I believe that the 2nd son split up too, but 1 became famous and the other wanted to live in peace. Though they might have had connection with the Senju thus gaining the kyuubi holding it out of madara's reach and maybe because their gen was still strong because the last real gen that comes close to RS in the Senju clan was the 1st with his wood.

Cause Kushina's special chakra might mean having the power to control the bijuus or just holding them down.
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HR only 2 are Senju on that mountain and Nobody ever called all the hokage Senju so please show us your so called evidence.
there are at least two.. a Senju is a person who is a DESCENDANT of the younger son.. on the Hokage mountain is 5 busts.. Hashirama Tobirama Hiruzen Minato Tsunade

Hashirama and Tobirama have Senju in their name .. Tsunade is a DESCENDANT of the First Hokage since she is his grand daughter.. thus making her a SENJU

so with Hashirama Tobirama and at least Tsunade we would have 3 Senju count them with me one... two... three... there ya go .. next week we'll take you outside for a ride in the car
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excuse me for forgetting tsunade. but seriously can you get even more childish ??? No wonder many people dislike your attitude.
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1. This was your chain of logic long before Kushina was revealed as the jink on why there would be a previous jink:

-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who is related to Minato Namikaze
-The Great Ninja Villages often used people with close relation to the Kage for Jinks
-There must have been a previous Kyuubi Jink.

See why that logic chain doesn't work?

This is the Senju logic chain you're trying to argue:

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

Again, SEE HOW THAT LOGIC DOESN'T WORK!? The theory being right does not mean your arguments ever were. Get that through your head. Your "crazy metaphor" does not illustrate the situation at all. It's not a "crazy metaphor", it's just bullshit.

You're saying "you guys don't understand, I think he's speaking figuratively, just that he's also saying that Naruto's literally a Senju and Sasuke's an Uchiha." THAT'S WHAT LITERALLY MEANS YOU DUMBFUCK. YOU ARE ONLY COMPREHENDING WHAT MADARA SAID BASED ON THE WORDS HE USED, NOT WHAT HE MEANT BY THEM IN ANY WAY.

If Naruto turns out to be Senju, but not based on any of the points you made, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.
See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Ps. Sorry Najiro .. I just have been on the defensive for the last day .. it wears on ya.. didn't mean to be so smug .. but it's like if I don't spell things out correctly or take people on the grand tour .. they can't find their way around
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See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Ps. Sorry Najiro .. I just have been on the defensive for the last day .. it wears on ya.. didn't mean to be so smug .. but it's like if I don't spell things out correctly or take people on the grand tour .. they can't find their way around
So basically you're saying that, because you can't actually form a decent train of logic, it's our job to assume you're right by putting the puzzle pieces in the wrong spots until it forms the picture you want it to?

Naruto has no physical resemblance to Hashirama. "Seeing Hashirama in you" is referring to Naruto's personality and philosophy. He's drawing parallels between the conflicts of the Senju and the Uchiha, and Naruto vs. Sasuke, as it is the same battle of philosophy.
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Re: It's official Naruto is Senju

he probably is senju u know all the hints points towards it
its quite obvious

just like how naruto was the fourths son
but it took ages for kishi to reveal it
but even though it was obvious some ppl didnt believe it

madara send he sees the 1st in him
naruto has massive chakra just like the senju side of the sages son
naruto and sasuke is the modern and hopefully improved 'chain breaking' version of 1st and madara (they fought in VOTE)
im sure theres more but isnt that enough hints already
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See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

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Your putting Pepper, extra salt, and some other crazy s*&t in your batter then. lol
these so called "clues" don't back up your theory at all. their illconceived.
This does not prove that he is a senju.


Plus tsunade was only a second choice as hokage the first choice was Jiraiya
and as far as we know he was no senju, so that puts a hole in that "clue".

When you assume thats all it is an assumption. We are all naruto fans and kishi is a fuguritive guy everything he does is symbolic and as his fans we should know that.

And what about Yugito he was not related to the Raikage that puts another hole in that senju / jinchuuriki=kage relative theroy.

at this stage all we can do is assume, but make educated guesses don't just pull crackpot theories out of your ass. ( no offense).
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he probably is senju u know all the hints points towards it
its quite obvious

just like how naruto was the fourths son
but it took ages for kishi to reveal it
but even though it was obvious some ppl didnt believe it

madara send he sees the 1st in him
naruto has massive chakra just like the senju side of the sages son
naruto and sasuke is the modern and hopefully improved 'chain breaking' version of 1st and madara (they fought in VOTE)
im sure theres more but isnt that enough hints already
Consider that Naruto is seemingly being compared more to the Rikudou Sennin himself than to the Younger Son of the Sage. If neither Senju nor Uchiha were capable of bringing about the peace that the RS wanted, wouldn't a person who is neither be the most likely "destined child?" Madara is drawing connections to the Senju in Naruto because he's trying to pit Naruto and Sasuke against each other. Those don't guarantee in ANY WAY that Naruto is actually Senju.
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Consider that Naruto is seemingly being compared more to the Rikudou Sennin himself than to the Younger Son of the Sage. If neither Senju nor Uchiha were capable of bringing about the peace that the RS wanted, wouldn't a person who is neither be the most likely "destined child?" Madara is drawing connections to the Senju in Naruto because he's trying to pit Naruto and Sasuke against each other. Those don't guarantee in ANY WAY that Naruto is actually Senju.
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