It's official Naruto is Senju - Page 10

stubborn_d0nkey · 06-17-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by uchihamadara

What you guys don't understand is that madara is speaking figuritively. Naruto is Senju, in the sense that he posses the will of fire and follows the way of the previous kages and obides by their morals and traditions, now if those values, and traditions originate from the senju than it is in a way Uchiha vs. Senju. Their values, morals, traditions, and points of view are at battle at this point not the races literally fighting. it's symbolic.

You're the only guy here who could properly explain Madara's thoughts :P

Human Rasengan · 06-17-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

Except that this is not what this is about. Kushina being a previous Jink for the Kyuubi DOES make sense. But HR made the argument for it when there was no evidence to back it up, and he couldn't make any kind of decent argument, yet he states every theory he has as "MANGA FACT!" Now he's here acting like HIS ARGUMENTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! Which they weren't. The theory was proven true, his arguments proved nothing.

Need I say it again? The THEORY and the ARGUMENT FOR IT are not one and the same. The THEORY of Kushina being a previous Jink is logical and plausible, given the right argument. HR's arguments are so incredibly bad that he only makes people doubt what he thinks is true more.

Ok like I've said before you saw things differently form me .. the only thing I argued was that there was a previous jink for the 9 tails based on things I came across in the story .(patterns that I picked up) I mentioned all the villages having sealing techniques for the biju

I said Kuomo knowing about common practices for sealing Chiyo sealing Gaara and a lot of other things which led me to say there was a previous 9 tails jink.. When Kuomo showed up wit the sealing pot and multiple jinks that was all I needed . to form my opinion

Everyone shouted no. ok fine I get that.. just because what lead me to my conclusion you dind't buy into .. doesn't take away from me being right and it doesn't make it dumb luck either .. just because someone gets a pizza with 10 toppings on it and I get mine with 3 .. we both ordered a pizza( yes I talk in crazy metaphors.. it's what I do)

[Quote=uchihamadara;1822859]What you guys don't understand is that madara is speaking figuritively. Naruto is Senju, in the sense that he posses the will of fire and follows the way of the previous kages and obides by their morals and traditions, now if those values, and traditions originate from the senju than it is in a way Uchiha vs. Senju. Their values, morals, traditions, and points of view are at battle at this point not the races literally fighting. it's symbolic. [quote]

IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?

and thank you Freud and Donkey

Najiro · 06-17-2010, 05:19 PM

HR only 2 are Senju on that mountain and Nobody ever called all the hokage Senju so please show us your so called evidence.

Human Rasengan · 06-17-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

Except that this is not what this is about. Kushina being a previous Jink for the Kyuubi DOES make sense. But HR made the argument for it when there was no evidence to back it up, and he couldn't make any kind of decent argument, yet he states every theory he has as "MANGA FACT!" Now he's here acting like HIS ARGUMENTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!!! Which they weren't. The theory was proven true, his arguments proved nothing.

Need I say it again? The THEORY and the ARGUMENT FOR IT are not one and the same. The THEORY of Kushina being a previous Jink is logical and plausible, given the right argument. HR's arguments are so incredibly bad that he only makes people doubt what he thinks is true more.

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Originally Posted by Najiro

my believe only his thinking and actions is like the Senju but he just isn't though I do think he's a descendant from the youngest son trough his mother.

Wouldn't that make him Senju if he's the descendant of the younger son.. that by definition is what really defines a Senju isn't it?

AOTKorby · 06-17-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

Ok like I've said before you saw things differently form me .. the only thing I argued was that there was a previous jink for the 9 tails based on things I came across in the story .(patterns that I picked up) I mentioned all the villages having sealing techniques for the biju

I said Kuomo knowing about common practices for sealing Chiyo sealing Gaara and a lot of other things which led me to say there was a previous 9 tails jink.. When Kuomo showed up wit the sealing pot and multiple jinks that was all I needed . to form my opinion

Everyone shouted no. ok fine I get that.. just because what lead me to my conclusion you dind't buy into .. doesn't take away from me being right and it doesn't make it dumb luck either .. just because someone gets a pizza with 10 toppings on it and I get mine with 3 .. we both ordered a pizza( yes I talk in crazy metaphors.. it's what I do)

IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?

and thank you Freud and Donkey

1. This was your chain of logic long before Kushina was revealed as the jink on why there would be a previous jink:

-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who is related to Minato Namikaze
-The Great Ninja Villages often used people with close relation to the Kage for Jinks
-There must have been a previous Kyuubi Jink.

See why that logic chain doesn't work?

This is the Senju logic chain you're trying to argue:

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

Again, SEE HOW THAT LOGIC DOESN'T WORK!? The theory being right does not mean your arguments ever were. Get that through your head. Your "crazy metaphor" does not illustrate the situation at all. It's not a "crazy metaphor", it's just bullshit.

You're saying "you guys don't understand, I think he's speaking figuratively, just that he's also saying that Naruto's literally a Senju and Sasuke's an Uchiha." THAT'S WHAT LITERALLY MEANS YOU DUMBFUCK. YOU ARE ONLY COMPREHENDING WHAT MADARA SAID BASED ON THE WORDS HE USED, NOT WHAT HE MEANT BY THEM IN ANY WAY.

If Naruto turns out to be Senju, but not based on any of the points you made, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.

Trapt · 06-17-2010, 05:25 PM

IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally**. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?[/QUOTE]

Not really buddy. HR you are definately on to something. We are not gonna really find out the truth unless kishi states in Bold Italic words in a bubble that naruto is a Senju. I like theories but until he writes it thats all it is going to be a theory. Im not here to burst your bubble i hope your theory is correct cause that would be bad ass, more than Naruto having the belief system of the will of fire of a Senju.

Najiro · 06-17-2010, 05:27 PM

no because getting to the Senju probably took many generations.

Because I believe both the hyuuga and the Uchiha came from the 1st son but 1 took op the chain of hatred and the other didn't. Just like How the Uchiha and the Senju were actually one family I believe that the 2nd son split up too, but 1 became famous and the other wanted to live in peace. Though they might have had connection with the Senju thus gaining the kyuubi holding it out of madara's reach and maybe because their gen was still strong because the last real gen that comes close to RS in the Senju clan was the 1st with his wood.

Cause Kushina's special chakra might mean having the power to control the bijuus or just holding them down.

Human Rasengan · 06-17-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Najiro

HR only 2 are Senju on that mountain and Nobody ever called all the hokage Senju so please show us your so called evidence.

there are at least two.. a Senju is a person who is a DESCENDANT of the younger son.. on the Hokage mountain is 5 busts.. Hashirama Tobirama Hiruzen Minato Tsunade

Hashirama and Tobirama have Senju in their name .. Tsunade is a DESCENDANT of the First Hokage since she is his grand daughter.. thus making her a SENJU

so with Hashirama Tobirama and at least Tsunade we would have 3 Senju count them with me one... two... three... there ya go .. next week we'll take you outside for a ride in the car

Najiro · 06-17-2010, 05:35 PM

excuse me for forgetting tsunade. but seriously can you get even more childish ??? No wonder many people dislike your attitude.

Human Rasengan · 06-17-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

1. This was your chain of logic long before Kushina was revealed as the jink on why there would be a previous jink:

-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki who is related to Minato Namikaze
-The Great Ninja Villages often used people with close relation to the Kage for Jinks
-There must have been a previous Kyuubi Jink.

See why that logic chain doesn't work?

This is the Senju logic chain you're trying to argue:

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

Again, SEE HOW THAT LOGIC DOESN'T WORK!? The theory being right does not mean your arguments ever were. Get that through your head. Your "crazy metaphor" does not illustrate the situation at all. It's not a "crazy metaphor", it's just bullshit.

You're saying "you guys don't understand, I think he's speaking figuratively, just that he's also saying that Naruto's literally a Senju and Sasuke's an Uchiha." THAT'S WHAT LITERALLY MEANS YOU DUMBFUCK. YOU ARE ONLY COMPREHENDING WHAT MADARA SAID BASED ON THE WORDS HE USED, NOT WHAT HE MEANT BY THEM IN ANY WAY.

If Naruto turns out to be Senju, but not based on any of the points you made, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY LESS WRONG.

See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Ps. Sorry Najiro .. I just have been on the defensive for the last day .. it wears on ya.. didn't mean to be so smug .. but it's like if I don't spell things out correctly or take people on the grand tour .. they can't find their way around

AOTKorby · 06-17-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Ps. Sorry Najiro .. I just have been on the defensive for the last day .. it wears on ya.. didn't mean to be so smug .. but it's like if I don't spell things out correctly or take people on the grand tour .. they can't find their way around

So basically you're saying that, because you can't actually form a decent train of logic, it's our job to assume you're right by putting the puzzle pieces in the wrong spots until it forms the picture you want it to?

Naruto has no physical resemblance to Hashirama. "Seeing Hashirama in you" is referring to Naruto's personality and philosophy. He's drawing parallels between the conflicts of the Senju and the Uchiha, and Naruto vs. Sasuke, as it is the same battle of philosophy.

freedom07 · 06-17-2010, 06:04 PM

he probably is senju u know all the hints points towards it
its quite obvious

just like how naruto was the fourths son
but it took ages for kishi to reveal it
but even though it was obvious some ppl didnt believe it

madara send he sees the 1st in him
naruto has massive chakra just like the senju side of the sages son
naruto and sasuke is the modern and hopefully improved 'chain breaking' version of 1st and madara (they fought in VOTE)
im sure theres more but isnt that enough hints already

uchihamadara · 06-17-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

See that's the problem you are trying to define what I am and am not using.. I'm not stating every little clue I use and you're leaving your'sef to put things in there like

-Naruto is pit against Sasuke by Madara
-Madara says that Naruto has the Will of Fire
-Naruto lives in Konoha
-Naruto's dad was a Hokage
-Naruto is a Jinchuuriki
-Naruto must be a Senju

when I am using
-Madara says he see's Hashirama in you (as in you look like my old adversary)
-Tobi saying Madara and Hashirama 's fight was fated
-HTe fire of the senju clan dwells in you (you're one of them .. kinda like if an asian familly moved into your neighborhood you'd know who the Wong kids were)
then him drawing the paralells of senju and uchiha fire and hatred naruto and sasuke

then lets break this down
on one side I have Sasuke=hatred-Uchiha

ok got it..

on the other side Naruto=fire-Senju.. how come this doesn't compute like Sasuke's does for you guys I'm not understanding..

ok it's not manga fact yet we get that Kishi has a story to tell .. but these are the things I use and how I come up with it.. when you got to putting extra shit in the cake batter you fuck it up .. that's why yo cake is never as good as mine .. I AM THE HUMAN RASENGAN RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Ps. Sorry Najiro .. I just have been on the defensive for the last day .. it wears on ya.. didn't mean to be so smug .. but it's like if I don't spell things out correctly or take people on the grand tour .. they can't find their way around

Your putting Pepper, extra salt, and some other crazy s*&t in your batter then. lol
these so called "clues" don't back up your theory at all. their illconceived.
This does not prove that he is a senju.

Plus tsunade was only a second choice as hokage the first choice was Jiraiya
and as far as we know he was no senju, so that puts a hole in that "clue".

When you assume thats all it is an assumption. We are all naruto fans and kishi is a fuguritive guy everything he does is symbolic and as his fans we should know that.

And what about Yugito he was not related to the Raikage that puts another hole in that senju / jinchuuriki=kage relative theroy.

at this stage all we can do is assume, but make educated guesses don't just pull crackpot theories out of your ass. ( no offense).

AOTKorby · 06-17-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freedom07

he probably is senju u know all the hints points towards it
its quite obvious

just like how naruto was the fourths son
but it took ages for kishi to reveal it
but even though it was obvious some ppl didnt believe it

madara send he sees the 1st in him
naruto has massive chakra just like the senju side of the sages son
naruto and sasuke is the modern and hopefully improved 'chain breaking' version of 1st and madara (they fought in VOTE)
im sure theres more but isnt that enough hints already

Consider that Naruto is seemingly being compared more to the Rikudou Sennin himself than to the Younger Son of the Sage. If neither Senju nor Uchiha were capable of bringing about the peace that the RS wanted, wouldn't a person who is neither be the most likely "destined child?" Madara is drawing connections to the Senju in Naruto because he's trying to pit Naruto and Sasuke against each other. Those don't guarantee in ANY WAY that Naruto is actually Senju.

uchihamadara · 06-17-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

Consider that Naruto is seemingly being compared more to the Rikudou Sennin himself than to the Younger Son of the Sage. If neither Senju nor Uchiha were capable of bringing about the peace that the RS wanted, wouldn't a person who is neither be the most likely "destined child?" Madara is drawing connections to the Senju in Naruto because he's trying to pit Naruto and Sasuke against each other. Those don't guarantee in ANY WAY that Naruto is actually Senju.

My Point Exactly well put my man.

06-17-2010, 05:19 PM	#138
Najiro Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 514 Thanks: 587 Thanked 254 Times in 119 Posts	Re: It's official Naruto is Senju HR only 2 are Senju on that mountain and Nobody ever called all the hokage Senju so please show us your so called evidence.

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Trapt Academy Student Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: It's official Naruto is Senju IMHO I don't think that at all I think he meant it literally since there is going to be a literal battle between Naruto and Sasuke.. I see them as actually being Uchiha and Senju .. I use as clues.. the fact the name has sooo much importance in the story Naruto wanting soo bad to become Hokage, the Hokage being referred to as Senju on more than one occasion( even if people only believe there are 3 Senju on the Hokage mountain fine88 why not just name them personally*. So as I have shown you here my rational is wayy different on the things that I use to lead me to think this .. but if .. and I got to type like I'm writing a legal paper with you guys .. if Naruto does indeed turn out to be an actual Senju... would that make me any less right or wrong?[/QUOTE] Not really buddy. HR you are definately on to something. We are not gonna really find out the truth unless kishi states in Bold Italic words in a bubble that naruto is a Senju. I like theories but until he writes it thats all it is going to be a theory. Im not here to burst your bubble i hope your theory is correct cause that would be bad ass, more than Naruto having the belief system of the will of fire of a Senju. __________________ Black rose your thorns are cutting into me for the last time. Black rose I watched your petals wilt away. I couldnt bring you back to life. you were always were the sun could never go.- Trapt Last edited by Trapt; 06-17-2010 at 05:27 PM.*

06-17-2010, 05:27 PM	#142
Najiro Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 514 Thanks: 587 Thanked 254 Times in 119 Posts	Re: It's official Naruto is Senju no because getting to the Senju probably took many generations. Because I believe both the hyuuga and the Uchiha came from the 1st son but 1 took op the chain of hatred and the other didn't. Just like How the Uchiha and the Senju were actually one family I believe that the 2nd son split up too, but 1 became famous and the other wanted to live in peace. Though they might have had connection with the Senju thus gaining the kyuubi holding it out of madara's reach and maybe because their gen was still strong because the last real gen that comes close to RS in the Senju clan was the 1st with his wood. Cause Kushina's special chakra might mean having the power to control the bijuus or just holding them down.

06-17-2010, 05:35 PM	#144
Najiro Chuunin Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 514 Thanks: 587 Thanked 254 Times in 119 Posts	Re: It's official Naruto is Senju excuse me for forgetting tsunade. but seriously can you get even more childish ??? No wonder many people dislike your attitude.

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freedom07 SASUKE'S TRUE #1 FAN!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SASUKE Age: 25 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 390 Posts	Re: It's official Naruto is Senju he probably is senju u know all the hints points towards it its quite obvious just like how naruto was the fourths son but it took ages for kishi to reveal it but even though it was obvious some ppl didnt believe it madara send he sees the 1st in him naruto has massive chakra just like the senju side of the sages son naruto and sasuke is the modern and hopefully improved 'chain breaking' version of 1st and madara (they fought in VOTE) im sure theres more but isnt that enough hints already

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