Demi-God

Seconded.

And thirdeded.

Nerox

i believe you, no question, and i'd never doubt OG, but nonetheless, i'd like to see those pics.

Scientia

It isn't fair to be mean to someone you don't know, and without a reason. Your reason is you don't care, but that's not reasonable. Why?

Not having a reason to care means that you don't have any kind of feeling toward being reasonable toward a stranger. You don't care about them. The reason why not caring isn't reasonable is because it's not reasonable to not have any feelings toward another's feelings. The reason why it's not reasonable to not have any feelings toward another's feelings is because you don't have a fair reason to hurt them like that. Your reason to hurt them like that obviously can't be you don't care, because that's actually what we're analyzing right now and even if you say it's that you don't care that you don't care, that's still not a fair reason toward their feelings. Once you have a good reason, it's not as unreasonable anymore. To reiterate, simply not caring can hurt them, and you have no fair reason to do that when they've done nothing to you. Is that your fault? No. Because it's kind of something in your nature. But you're naturally unreasonable when it comes to strangers' feelings, it seems. This is just how humans made the definition of reasonable. It really stems from fairness.
And I also said there are a lot of factors to take in. As in, I didn't know the specific reasons or technicalities behind why or how you were being mean by not caring about other's feelings. Sure, if you're simply telling the truth, that's not as unreasonable. But if you don't care about people's feelings at all, and they don't deserve to be hurt in the way that your carelessness hurts them, it's pretty unreasonable. And of course, I say that being unreasonable for this case is being irrational.
Hmm. I guess I'm just too retarded to comply or something.
Because they don't deserve it. Random people, even if they don't share bonds with you (massively generalizing, of course) don't deserve your carelessness simply because they're random people to you. That's why it's unreasonable. It's bias. It's not fair they have to get the shit end of stick just because you don't care or don't know them. It's also unreasonable for you not to care because you have no good reason to hurt them. Not caring does equal hurting them, though not as severely as I assumed you were. So yeah, I'll admit I was wrong to call you completely irrational. But not caring is on some level, unreasonable of you, and selfish. I'll stand by that concept, at least.
Because it's the reasonable thing to do? You know, it's reasonable to care and shit. That's what reason and fairness is fucking based upon. Their whole concepts and definitions fit with this concept of 'nice-ness'. If that's not an acceptable reason for you to care, then you're obviously not that reasonable.

You do care, though. Just not a lot from what I can tell. After all, you don't go around hurting feelings for no reason at all, so that's a decent bit or rationality right there.

So as a whole: Not caring about other's isn't fair for them, it's biased of you, and that's why it's unreasonable.

Now is it reasonable of me to expect you to just magcially care? No.

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Scientia

Seriously.
No I don't. lol

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Shrike

In this case, I mostly do agree with Fayrra.

Yes, you do. Boxxy is only cute in one video, she is chubby and is not that pretty at all. And I said cute. Which is FAR from beautiful. Heck, I have been with women who look far better.

Edit: And yeah, OG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boxxy.

Scientia

I get out plenty. And on top of that, there's sooo many girls at high school. I've already been through two girls whom held the position of 'the most beautiful.' Boxxy's the third.

Such words strike directly towards and against my heart, like a fiery lance. But at least you're being truthful as to how you see it. Alas, I know nothing of Boxxy outside of her Boxxy form (basically the way she looks in her videos and a few other extremely well taken pictures, that I can easily identify as the her that I find hawt). In other words, I really don't know her visually without the makeup (I guess her name's Catherine?). But I don't care, the fact of the matter is, Boxxy's the one whom I find beautiful, make-up and all. Every picture I've seen of her as the Boxxy persona, or something similar to it, I've always just been mesmerized. I've never seen anything like her. She's just completely pleasing to all of my senses. Well, the last girl who I asked out looked similar to her, but that's it.

On a side note, did you see this?



It should totally go in your signature. From what I hear, that's actually from the anime, too. XD
His face goes through so much rage, metamorphosis, and total fuck I just couldn't help but lol. How can you take yourself seriously as an animator after that?

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Tzu Men

IF I SEE THAT
FUCKING BOXXY
ONE MORE TIME!

cpas

Miburo

HOLY SHIT DUDE
DO YOU READ WHAT YOU WRITE

ALSO
HOW IS IT NOT FAIR
I HAVE NO OBLIGATIONS
TO BE NICE TO ANYONE
PLEASE PRESENT A FORMAL ARGUMENT
AS TO WHY IT ISNT RATIONAL AND FAIR
OTHERWISE YOURE JUST BULLSHITTING
IM NOT GOING TO BREAK DOWN SILLY ARGUMENTS LIKE
ITS NOT REASONABLE IS BECAUSE ITS NOT REASONABLE BLAH BLAH
PRESENT VALID PREMISES AND CONCLUSIONS
FOR FUCKS SAKE


REALITY IS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAIRNESS
BECAUSE IT IS PERFECTLY FAIR
I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT STRANGERS
I DONT EXPECT STRANGERS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ME
I OWE THEM NOTHING
THEY OWE ME NOTHING
SCALE IS BALANCED
THAT IS TEXTBOOK FAIRNESS
RIGHT THERE

SEE HOW I DONT HAVE TO GO ROUND IN CIRCLES
TO PRESENT A SIMPLE GODDAMN ARGUMENT
ITS BECAUSE ITS SIMPLE SHIT
NO ASSUMED PREMISES
LIKE ITS NOT FAIR TO THEIR FEELINGS
THAT YOU HAVENT BACKED UP
WITH ANY LOGIC WHATSOEVER
IM PRETTY MUCH JUST TAKING THE DEFAULTS
AND GOING WITH THAT
I SEE NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT I OWE STRANGERS ANYTHING
NOR ANY REASON TO ASSUME THEY OWE ME ANYTHING
THEREFORE UNLESS A VALID LOGICAL
REASON IS PRESENTED
THE LOGICAL THING TO DO IS ASSUME THOSE DEFAULTS
YOU HAVENT PRESENTED A LOGICALLY VALID
REASON TO ADOPT ANYTHING CONTRARY TO
THE DEFAULTS
SO LOGICALLY
YOUR CLAIMS FAIL
THATS HOW THIS SHIT WORKS
ILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LINK YOU TO SHIT
THAT DESCRIBES
THE SIMPLE LOGICAL PRINCIPLES IM USING
SUCH AS THE PRINCIPLE OF BURDEN OF PROOF
AND OCCAMS RAZOR
IF YOU LIKE

FEEL FREE TO DO THE SAME WITH
WHATEVER LOGICAL PRINCIPLES YOURE
APPLYING IN YOUR ARGUMENTS
AS WELL
BECAUSE IM DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THEM


AND HOLY SHIT
IS THAT REALLY FROM THE ANIMU
THAT IS
WELL
KIND OF EXPECTED
NARUTO IS SUCH
GARBAGE

MASSIVE POAST FUCK YEAH

cpas

Tabris

^*DOKI DOKI DOKI*
YOUR COMPLEX WORD/BRAIN THINGS MAKE MY HEART THUMP QUICKLY

CARING ABOUT PEOPLE I DONT KNOW
WOULDNT THAT JUST GIVE ME EXTRA STRESS
THUS HARMING MYSELF

WHY WOULD ANY RATIONAL PERSON HARM THEMSELVEScasp

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Mal

Here's how I do it:
- If I don't personally know someone, I neither like nor dislike them.
- In order for me to like someone, they have to do something I like.
- In order for me to dislike someone, they have to do something I dislike.
- If I don't like someone, I'm not going to bother with niceties.

Miburo

^THAT IS PRETTY MUCH HOW I ROLL TOO
I ACTUALLY FOLLOW A
COMPLEX PERSONAL HONOR CODE
BASED AROUND INTEGRITY AND MANLINESS
ITS PRETTY COMPLICATED AND THERE ARE
PROBABLY A COUPLE OF PARTS THAT DONT MAKE
MUCH LOGICAL SENSE

BUT YEAH
IM POLITE AS FUCK AND SHIT
AND IF I SAW SOME LOLI AND
OTHER RANDOM STRANGERS BEING
MUGGED AT KNIFEPOINT OR SOME SHIT
ID DEFINITELY BREAK SOME MUGGER
FACES
DUE TO ME BEING A CHIVALROUS MANLY HERO
AND WHATNOT
NOT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GIVE A FUCK
ABOUT STRANGERS
AND ESPECIALLY NOT BECAUSE
I CARE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS

IF FAYRRA SAID
THAT BEING MEAN TO PEOPLE
FOR NO REASON
IS DOUCHEBAGGISH
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
THEN ID AGREE

HE SAID THAT
IF YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK
ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES FEELINGS
THEN YOURE IRRATIONAL AND UNFAIR

THATS WRONG
BECAUSE NOT GIVING A FUCK ABOUT
PEOPLES FEELINGS
IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
THAN BEING A DOUCHE
FOR NO REASON

YOU DONT HAVE TO GIVE A FUCK
ABOUT PEOPLE
TO BE NICE TO THEM

cpas

Scientia

lol. Yeah.
Okay, so I just have to prove how it's not fair? Well, I'll give it a shot then.

Premise: You and this stranger don't know each other, have no relations, etc. You don't care for that person's feelings, and end up hurting him.

Conclusion: He's hurt, you're fine.

Tell me how that's fair in anyway possible?

An eye for an eye is fair. Getting back at someone when they did something to you is fair. You telling the truth and hurting them is fair. Them just getting hurt when they have done nothing to you isn't.

Oh, and the reminds me, you said you couldn't think of a way to be illogical and fair? Well how about this: A stranger or a friend is about to die. The fair thing to do would be to either choose randomly between them or let them both die, however, the logical thing to do would be to save your friend, the one you care about most. If you don't do this, you'd be illogical, but fair.
Yeah, I do suck at arguing. But anyway, I didn't go in circles. I did not use circular reasoning here. I went from one thing to another, like a chain. And ended up with: It's not reasonable because it's not fair.

All I have to do is prove how it isn't fair, right? Therefore, all I have to do is make it fit in accordance with the definition. I don't need to make you see a logical reason to adopt being nice or rather a reason for you to care about a strangers' feelings (unless me proving that it's fair would make you do that, but that's more like a side-effect, than the actual primary purpose). Because you're probably not going to. All I have to prove is how it's not reasonable of you to not care. This is something in your nature.

The default position for a psychopath is killing people for fun. He has no reason to care for people that he doesn't know because he's naturally born with no emotions such as those. He's the same as you in that respect. He sees no logical reason to care. No reason to not kill strangers because he doesn't care. He doesn't expect for people to not hate him or not kill him back. He thinks of it as perfectly fair. Yet, what he's doing is not fair at all. And any reasonable person can see this. These people have done nothing to him, the only reason he kills them is because he has no bond's with them. He just goes about his daily life; because killing is his daily life. It's nothing personal or anything. If you're in the wrong place, then oh well. If it weren't for that, he wouldn't have killed them.

This, Miburo, is a very extreme version of what you're doing. Now, don't get me wrong here, because I do make weird analogies that seem outrageous:

Everything that matters fits. You not caring, and seeing no reason to care. It being your default position, etc. The only thing that doesn't fit is that you're not hurting them on purpose. It's just like "if they happen to have they're feelings hurt, then oh well."

But the only thing that changes is that it makes you less unreasonable (other than the fact that generally killing people is a lot more worse than hurting they're feelings, I know that's a huge difference as well). The point is, just because you're a shit ton of more reasonable than a psychopath, doesn't change the fact that you're still being unreasonable like one.
Lmao, I guess so. There's a few other one's, too. I heard he turns into sonic the hedgehog in one of them.
I'd do it just because it would be fun. And on some levels, I care.
First off, I corrected myself and said you're not completely irrational and unfair. I know there's a huge difference between purposely going out and doing and just doing it as you go about your daily life, just living. Even though that's what I thought you were doing at first, it turns out it's the latter. But that doesn't change the fact that you're still breaking the principle of the matter. You're still being unfair to them, just a lot less unfair.

Very true, and an interesting notion. But the thought process here is something like this:

Killing (lol).

Some people do it on purpose, while other's do it on accident when going about their daily lives. In this scenario you're the latter. The main similarity and principle that the former and the latter have in common is that they both don't care (for my analogy, at least). See, I don't expect you or Mal to be nice to people you don't know. That would be a lot of trouble, and it isn't like they are your friends. However, when people accidentally hurt another, they normally care, even if they are strangers. And then they say sorry, because they actually care. That's not you, from what I hear. Because you don't care, you're going to be hurting them when you go about your daily life, and then it's just "Oh fucking well, I don't give a shit, I'm not a pussy, I have no reason to care."

It's not fair for strangers to get hurt just because of that, but what makes it even more unreasonable is just the simple fact that, they're getting hurt, and you still don't care. That's just how you are in your nature. The reason why reasonable people care is because thats' just how they are in their nature. That's their default position. I told you this is an emotion thing. It's not an an objective default stance like atheism. Majority of humans aren't like you anyway, and actually do care about strangers (obviously not as much as one cares for one's friends or family). I don't know where you're getting this as an objective default stance that I have to defeat from. Your reason to not care is you don't care. Their reason to care is that they do care. It's that simple. It's both their defualt nature's. If we analyze it even further it'll just come out with both of us confused. The only reason one is more fair than the other is because one has genuine concern for the pain of other's. The pain that you intentionally or unintentionally caused. That's all. I'll admit, one's more logical while the other is more emotional, but that doesn't make it wrong objectively. Reasonable people care, unreasonable people don't. This is a fact to me based off of the concepts of the definitions.

I understand that you're not going out and being a douchbag for no reason. Instead you're indirectly being mean and then not caring about it because you see no logical reason to (unless, of course, it being fair is a logical reason, but it seems more like an emotional reason to me).

I mean, come on, if you hurt someone (intentional or not) when they didn't do anything to you, isn't it only fair to care about it? Isn't it not fair not to?

And by caring, obviously that means you care about their feelings. Like a 'normal' person. Or societies' idea of normal, I wager. Not caring will eventually lead to you hurting someone. You can't escape that. The key is whether you're going to care or not when you hurt them. If you don't it isn't fair, since you're the cause of the pain, but if you do then that means you care about their feelings. That was the whole point of my first post that you responded to anyway, when you said "I'm fair, but I don't care about their feelings." The whole point was in the context of hurting them in some way.

At least answer that bolded question for me. I mean, there's nothing I can really say. I tried the formal debate thing and probably failed. I'm probably just repeating myself and it's probably just pissing you off. This is probably my final bout. If you can't understand it, I'll just have to write you off as somewhat unreasonable for this situation. I understand everything you've said so far, and have tried to comply with it. You can just write me off as a massive idiot, or whatever have you, in return.

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TrueUCHIHA

hey...ur girlfriend. or who ever that is in ur sig is hot. kudos.

Scientia

Oh, you silly face. She's not my girl. But yeah, I know. <3 <3 <3

Did you really have to quote that whole thing? lol

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Tabris

WALL OF TEXT
HOLY CRAP

I DID NOT READ ONE WORD OF THAT
NOT ONE

KNOW WHY
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE

ON TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
AT WORK
I AM NICE TO CUSTOMERS
AND RESPECTFUL
CAUSE THEY PAY FOR ME TO WORK
UNTIL THEY ARE RUDE OR JSUT
DOUCHE BAGS IN GENERAL
THEN YOU GET NONE OF MY SMILES
OR DISCOUNTS THAT I DONT TELL YOU ABOUT
AND YOU DONT DISCOVER UNTILL YOU EXAMINE YOUR
RECIEPT AT HOMEcasp

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