Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site - Page 2

ask me anything · 08-18-2010, 10:01 PM

Why build that mosque there? Why biuld it at all? Are the 200 other mosques (in Manhattan alone) no sufficient enough to meet the needs of the people. This "outreach center" they plan is hardly that. It a 17 story mosque. This is definitely meant as a slap in the face to americans.

What's more a Eastern Orthodox Church just across the street from the world trade centers, were denied permission to rebuild. How is this fair? You mean that a church that was already there can't rebuild, but a brand new church can be built. This reeks of hypocrisy.

stubborn_d0nkey · 08-19-2010, 05:40 AM

Mosque's are not like churches, they are built more per square mile, per person, whateva.

Also, do you know the full story behind the church? Was it denied because it is a religious object or because of something else? If it was denied because it is a religious object then it is hypocrisy. But I strongly doubt it. If it was denied for any other reason then by no means is it hypocrisy.

**Mal** · 08-19-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Also, do you know the full story behind the church? Was it denied because it is a religious object or because of something else? If it was denied because it is a religious object then it is hypocrisy. But I strongly doubt it. If it was denied for any other reason then by no means is it hypocrisy.

From the second comment on the linked page:

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Probably because the Church does not own the land it was located on the Port Authority does. On the other hand, the Muslims own the property where the Mosque would go.

stubborn_d0nkey · 08-19-2010, 11:10 AM

I read that. It proves my point.

Horurinjiru Iyasu · 08-19-2010, 05:56 PM

Still doesn't seem right. Even if it were for something else, 9/11 was too huge to ignore. The ones who caused 9/11 were Muslims. I'm not against Muslims in any way, but because of them particularly, it should not be allowed at all. And like Ask said, it could be built anywhere else. I agree, it's a huge slap in the face to America.

**Miburo** · 08-19-2010, 06:09 PM

This is America. Freedom, mother fuckers. It'd be a huge slap in the face to MANLY America if we just denied some people the freedom to build shit on land that they own just because there are a bunch of irrational crybabies crying about it, solely because they're stupid.

Freedom > Crying like a bunch of bitches. At least it should be in mother fucking America.

Horurinjiru Iyasu · 08-19-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

This is America. Freedom, mother fuckers. It'd be a huge slap in the face to MANLY America if we just denied some people the freedom to build shit on land that they own just because there are a bunch of irrational crybabies crying about it, solely because they're stupid.

Freedom > Crying like a bunch of bitches. At least it should be in mother fucking America.

I love how you were never a part of this thread till just now.

ask me anything · 08-19-2010, 07:28 PM

I support freedom of religion (or lack of it) as a fundamental right in America. I don't think anyone is mad that people are building mosques in new york or that people are worshiping Islam. Well there will always be some fringe groups out there that might believe that.

The key issue is the reason behind building it at that location. They claim it for "cultural outreach", but I call BS on that. Why don't these Imams allow other religions to build churches/cathedrals/synagogues in these predominately Islamic countries. That would be fair wouldn't it, but it would never happen. Even if it did, people would be to damn scared for their lives to enter those churches, due to death threats or other repercussions against them.

The head Imam has openly said he favors imposing Sharia law in America (where women are treated as second class citizens), which is in direct conflict with the constitution. You can just look to Europe as an example of this. In Britain they already have 5 Sharia courts, that have been set up since 2007. If your a muslim you get tried in these courts using different laws, and judicial procedures then a non-muslim. Is this really OK. Does anybody really want this in america? There was once a time when blacks were considered 2nd rate citizens, and women lacked rights. Doing the same shit again and wrapping the banner of religious freedom around it, doesn't make it right. Our culture will progress backwards, if we let that happen.

**Miburo** · 08-19-2010, 07:55 PM

^There is a massive difference between allowing people to build shit on their property, and invoking some crazy arab theocracy or whatever the fuck you're going on about. The former shit doesn't in any way need to lead to the latter shit.

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Originally Posted by Horurinjiru Iyasu

I love how you were never a part of this thread till just now.

Why?

Horurinjiru Iyasu · 08-19-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

^There is a massive difference between allowing people to build shit on their property, and invoking some crazy arab theocracy or whatever the fuck you're going on about. The former shit doesn't in any way need to lead to the latter shit.

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

I support freedom of religion (or lack of it) as a fundamental right in America. I don't think anyone is mad that people are building mosques in new york or that people are worshiping Islam. Well there will always be some fringe groups out there that might believe that.

The key issue is the reason behind building it at that location. They claim it for "cultural outreach", but I call BS on that. Why don't these Imams allow other religions to build churches/cathedrals/synagogues in these predominately Islamic countries. That would be fair wouldn't it, but it would never happen. Even if it did, people would be to damn scared for their lives to enter those churches, due to death threats or other repercussions against them.

The head Imam has openly said he favors imposing Sharia law in America (where women are treated as second class citizens), which is in direct conflict with the constitution. You can just look to Europe as an example of this. In Britain they already have 5 Sharia courts, that have been set up since 2007. If your a muslim you get tried in these courts using different laws, and judicial procedures then a non-muslim. Is this really OK. Does anybody really want this in america? There was once a time when blacks were considered 2nd rate citizens, and women lacked rights. Doing the same shit again and wrapping the banner of religious freedom around it, doesn't make it right. Our culture will progress backwards, if we let that happen.

Ask me anything is correct. What's worse is that imposing this law has caused warfare before. One example is the Second Sudanese Civil War during the Cold War between the US and Soviet Union back in the 70s and 80s, a continuation of the First Civil War back in 1955. This war was started because of the Sharia Law attempting to work it's way into Sudan's government. It has only just recently come to a peace agreement in January 2005. There's several ways that the Sharia Law could cause warfare in the US. One of the worst is Obama, or whichever other president we would have at the time, allowing it, and another group, being outraged, seperates from our current government, and thus starting the second Civil War in the US. If you ever really pay attention to the religious wars of the world, you'll notice that most of them are from the Muslim religion trying to plant their laws/ways into current society. I have nothing against Muslims as a whole either, but for any of them that want to plant their entire religion into all of society, they can go to Hell. No one religion should be above all. And no one race, or sex should be above the other. Period.

**Miburo** · 08-19-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Horurinjiru Iyasu

Ask me anything is correct. What's worse is that imposing this law has caused warfare before. One example is the Second Sudanese Civil War during the Cold War between the US and Soviet Union back in the 70s and 80s, a continuation of the First Civil War back in 1955. This war was started because of the Sharia Law attempting to work it's way into Sudan's government. It has only just recently come to a peace agreement in January 2005. There's several ways that the Sharia Law could cause warfare in the US. One of the worst is Obama, or whichever other president we would have at the time, allowing it, and another group, being outraged, seperates from our current government, and thus starting the second Civil War in the US. If you ever really pay attention to the religious wars of the world, you'll notice that most of them are from the Muslim religion trying to plant their laws/ways into current society. I have nothing against Muslims as a whole either, but for any of them that want to plant their entire religion into all of society, they can go to Hell. No one religion should be above all. And no one race, or sex should be above the other. Period.

Except...building a durka durka church =/= IMPLANTING TEH ENTIRE RELIGION INTO ALL OF SOCIETY DURR. At all.

No one is saying "Fuck yeah, muslim take over of the entire country lololol." They're saying "Uh, freedom of religion. Go ahead and build your little muslim church thinger. Whatever."

Quite the slippery slope fallacy you got going, champ.

Protip: That means your argument is stupid.

Horurinjiru Iyasu · 08-19-2010, 10:02 PM

No. You're obviously ignorant to what we're talking about. Along with the mosque, they're attempting to implant the Sharia Law, which like ask me anything said, makes women second class citizens, completely taking away respect for women, and risks throwing our country into war. So yes, someone did say "Fuck yeah, muslim take over the entire country lololol.", and that was the head of Imam. Please actually read something instead of making yourself look like an ass.

**Miburo** · 08-19-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Horurinjiru Iyasu

No. You're obviously ignorant to what we're talking about. Along with the mosque, they're attempting to implant the Sharia Law, which like ask me anything said, makes women second class citizens, completely taking away respect for women, and risks throwing our country into war. So yes, someone did say "Fuck yeah, muslim take over the entire country lololol.", and that was the head of Imam. Please actually read something instead of making yourself look like an ass.

Okay, killer. Link me to where someone said that putting in this durka church is a declaration of some attempt to "implant" some durka law into all of american society. Give me some proof to back up this claim of yours.

I won't hold my breath.

Horurinjiru Iyasu · 08-19-2010, 10:27 PM

http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.c...ed-states.html

There you go.

And Here's some more if that doesn't satisfy you. The third one's pretty interesting, although, I myself haven't finished the video:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/ob...ited-stat.html
http://www.danielpipes.org/2100/the-...tes-of-america
http://pumabydesign001.wordpress.com...es-of-america/

stubborn_d0nkey · 08-19-2010, 10:35 PM

CAN YOU READ!!!

no, really,

CAN YOU READ!

08-18-2010, 10:01 PM	#16
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,106 Thanks: 9,011 Thanked 3,436 Times in 1,531 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site Why build that mosque there? Why biuld it at all? Are the 200 other mosques (in Manhattan alone) no sufficient enough to meet the needs of the people. This "outreach center" they plan is hardly that. It a 17 story mosque. This is definitely meant as a slap in the face to americans. What's more a Eastern Orthodox Church just across the street from the world trade centers, were denied permission to rebuild. How is this fair? You mean that a church that was already there can't rebuild, but a brand new church can be built. This reeks of hypocrisy. __________________

08-19-2010, 05:56 PM	#20
Horurinjiru Iyasu Academy Student Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 6 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site Still doesn't seem right. Even if it were for something else, 9/11 was too huge to ignore. The ones who caused 9/11 were Muslims. I'm not against Muslims in any way, but because of them particularly, it should not be allowed at all. And like Ask said, it could be built anywhere else. I agree, it's a huge slap in the face to America.

08-19-2010, 06:09 PM	#21
Miburo Deos Fortioribus Adesse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 3,543 Thanks: 34,417 Thanked 17,643 Times in 5,442 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site This is America. Freedom, mother fuckers. It'd be a huge slap in the face to MANLY America if we just denied some people the freedom to build shit on land that they own just because there are a bunch of irrational crybabies crying about it, solely because they're stupid. Freedom > Crying like a bunch of bitches. At least it should be in mother fucking America.

08-19-2010, 07:28 PM	#23
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,106 Thanks: 9,011 Thanked 3,436 Times in 1,531 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site I support freedom of religion (or lack of it) as a fundamental right in America. I don't think anyone is mad that people are building mosques in new york or that people are worshiping Islam. Well there will always be some fringe groups out there that might believe that. The key issue is the reason behind building it at that location. They claim it for "cultural outreach", but I call BS on that. Why don't these Imams allow other religions to build churches/cathedrals/synagogues in these predominately Islamic countries. That would be fair wouldn't it, but it would never happen. Even if it did, people would be to damn scared for their lives to enter those churches, due to death threats or other repercussions against them. The head Imam has openly said he favors imposing Sharia law in America (where women are treated as second class citizens), which is in direct conflict with the constitution. You can just look to Europe as an example of this. In Britain they already have 5 Sharia courts, that have been set up since 2007. If your a muslim you get tried in these courts using different laws, and judicial procedures then a non-muslim. Is this really OK. Does anybody really want this in america? There was once a time when blacks were considered 2nd rate citizens, and women lacked rights. Doing the same shit again and wrapping the banner of religious freedom around it, doesn't make it right. Our culture will progress backwards, if we let that happen. __________________ Last edited by ask me anything; 08-19-2010 at 07:32 PM.

08-19-2010, 10:02 PM	#27
Horurinjiru Iyasu Academy Student Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 6 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site No. You're obviously ignorant to what we're talking about. Along with the mosque, they're attempting to implant the Sharia Law, which like ask me anything said, makes women second class citizens, completely taking away respect for women, and risks throwing our country into war. So yes, someone did say "Fuck yeah, muslim take over the entire country lololol.", and that was the head of Imam. Please actually read something instead of making yourself look like an ass.

08-19-2010, 10:27 PM	#29
Horurinjiru Iyasu Academy Student Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 6 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Obama Strongly Backs Islam Center Near 9/11 Site http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.c...ed-states.html There you go. And Here's some more if that doesn't satisfy you. The third one's pretty interesting, although, I myself haven't finished the video: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/ob...ited-stat.html http://www.danielpipes.org/2100/the-...tes-of-america http://pumabydesign001.wordpress.com...es-of-america/ Last edited by Horurinjiru Iyasu; 08-19-2010 at 10:35 PM.

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