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How was this book, anyway?

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kael03

Again, you are perfectly entitled to YOUR opinion. But you don't need to push it onto others. Someone comes in asking about it, we'll give our opinion on it and let them take it from there. No need for you to scare someone away from something they may or may not enjoy. The series is a good series. Like every other novel in existence, there are things that could be done differently. In MY opinion, as well as ACt/Nerox/others (more people than the haters), the series is well written and sucks a person in.

Someone comes in and asks for suggestions and we give them. Whether or not they take those suggestions is up to them. We don't press someone into reading a book (seriously, at least).

It's called broadening one's horizons. You should try it sometime instead of slamming an entire genre. I would recommend Goosebumps as a start.

TheBaron

Forget it Kael - ppl. of his kind are the type of person who thinks, that their opinion is the right one, and the only one allowed.

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candy

Ok. What's happening here is that you obviously like Brandon Sanderson. Thus, you find it hard to accept or even consider that the quality of his prose as bad; thus, being human and such, probably had no idea what the fuck prose even meant, and while pretending you did, assumed his was good. Because you interpret reality in the most self flattering way; you like BS, so his prose must be good. Thus, you iterate nonsensical words and phrases (The difference between horrid and peotic prose is a matter of opinion? And so is evolution, yet the evidence is so insurmountable i'd as soon disbelieve my existance.) making no real argument, in an attempt to make manifest your deluded view of reality.

And to propose Sanderson's prose as good is to oppose reality(I will show you 10 critics reviews stating how terrible his writing is for every 1 you show me praising it).Than there's this fact you seem loathe to comprehend: this doesn't mean his books are bad.

Secondly, I didn't bash the genre. This goes along with your assumption that mediocre prose is equivilient to meaning a bad book and goes along with my assumption that your understanding of said word is, at the least, flawed.

And your last statement was a vain instinct to socially posture; make fun of my intellect by recommending me goosebumps, preceded by a statement that was nonsense in the guise of wisdom: purportedly conveying yourself as one of prodigious knowledge and intellect. Cool story bro.

@thebaron: Stop pretending like you have any clue what's going on around you; whereupon, by not spending your limited intellect pretending, you may actually begin understanding what's going on... See what I did there?

ACt

Wow. What did I start? My only comment was on your "nothing happens" argument, which I dismiss because it is up to the reader as to what "something" is. You obviously were stating you preferred an action laden story rather than one with plotting, thinking, supposition and hearsay/word of mouth driven plot. Preference is different.

But based on your attacking of RJ's prose (I haven't reached BS's writing for WoT yet), I'm guessing you don't like a lot of fantasy that often takes odder structures to affect the reading experience. You must have hated Tolkien who had some of the driest and awkward prose in the 20th century. Of course, I love his works despite that fact.

Dissembling that argument: "when given the same evidence as me, you disagreed with my assessment, thus you are wrong." Wow, sir. You are telling me we shouldn't question your intelligence after trying to bludgeon the argument with that gem?

You are actually arguing aesthetics?! Do you like red? I dislike red. Thus, anyone who likes red is wrong. That's pretty much what you've laid out here.

It isn't about numbers. Kael likes it, you don't. End of argument.

Feels like a redefinition of the argument, but I'll accept and discuss.

I would disagree with your statement that you can have a good book with bad prose. Bad prose can completely destroy a novel, due to the fact that the prose will drive your imagination to fill in the gaps and lack of visuals. If the prose is bad, any number of plot twists can't save it, because the novel will hold no depth. I have read any number of cookie-cutter suspense/thriller/mystery/fantasy novels that have had sub-par prose and surprise plots, but wouldn't call any of them good reads. Easy reads come to mind.

WoT is a massive story with a very deep and convoluted plot. The prose reflects that with the careful pace it sets. I could see complaints with the slow placing (especially in the later books you mentioned, and I do agree to some extent) and overuse of description and character thoughts, but that is part of the way RJ has allowed for such a massive cast and plot, by giving equal weight to any number of characters, important or not. Gives a level of strength to the novel. I like it. I find it engrossing and consuming. I would not recommend WoT to a casual reader who wants a beginning - end story, because it will take the 14 novels to get there. But for the fantasy reader, it is a story on a massive scale that should be experienced.

Of course, I have many other novels and series I would recommend higher. Song of Fire and Ice is a much better read because it does a lot of the same things that WoT does, but does not come off as heavy or convoluted. But again, that's all taste.

What do you have against Goosebumps? You too good for youth lit?

Finally, to top it all off, after chastising someone for insulting someone's intellect, you poorly word a retort against someone else's, possibly under the guise of "this is what you are doing to me", but still, kind of a jerk move.

Demi-God

i red hary pottr 2 becus i thnk its veri intellgent an allother book suck

Seriously though, started WoT. Has a guy in a cloak, looking forward to the rest.

TheBaron

You know what? I read one of your posts, and that was enough for me to realize, that you are a complete idiot. Now, I have to admit that I forgot what you wrote, so it was not that important or intelligent - so if you wouldn't mind getting the fuck away from my dick, I would be very pleased. See what I did there?


EDIT! Found the post that you screwed up

How can you say, what can be better? Sure, it can be better - BY YOUR OWN TASTE! If Kael likes the style and book, and makes him want to read it - what is your fucking problem? Get the fuck off a brothers back, let him read the goddamn book, and go back to read Winnie the Pooh. Or whatever childish shit you read. (Not that Winnie the Pooh is bad!)

When the time comes, and you have become a bookreporter for Amazon or some shit like that - get back to me, and I might consider reading whatever the hell you write about a book. Until then, leave me the fuck alone, and let me read the fucking books I prefer. Fuck you and goodnight.

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KillerNN

So I'm re-reading all of the books I read in my Middle School years just for a change in things so right now I'm reading the Young Bond Series, Left Behind:1, and the Gatekeeper series. I already finished the Cirque Du Freak, Harry Potter, and Percy Jackson and The Olympians series.

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TheBaron

Nice - I just read something written by Ildefonso Falcones - Cathedral of the Sea
Fuck me it's good. Going on to read The Pillars of the Earth by Kenn Follet now :=)

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RNB

Lolita was pretty solid, stylistically. The narrative was told really well, and I think that Nabokov writing style and storytelling abilities are his strengths. As far as the value of the story itself, I don't really know how I feel about it. I feel like I missed something, since I have heard that it is about totalitarianism, but if it is about totalitarianism, is the story of Lolita really the best medium of communicating that subject?

I had to read Speak, Memory by Nabakov over the summer for my AP Literature class. Nabakov is an amazing writer, but the book was poorly put together, in my opinion. It is a collection of a lot of different writings he wrote about himself, so I feel that the parts are greater than the whole. My First Poem was a really good chapter.

Right now I am reading Samuel Beckett's Watt. I am actually starting to get
Beckett after having read Murphy andWaiting for Godot. I have always liked the themes behind his stories, but I am really starting to understand his sense of humor, which seemed boring at the time I read the other too, but not so much Godot.

I just finished reading Brave New World for school. I thought I would hate Huxley because of his views on LSD and such, but I came out agreeing with him more often then not in BNW. I don't think what he had to say was amazing, though, as it has been said by many. His writing style is horrible, though.

After finishing Watt I want to start The Count of Monte Cristo, which I got last Christmas and have not read yet.

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Azumi

The House Beautiful by Allison Burnett.

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-SassyLady-

6th book of the Vampire Academy and Omega Place two books I'm reading at the moment. =0

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ACt

Book 10 is done! On to the next one - Book 0: New Spring. (Pst - it's a prequel.)

Bah. Screw it. I'm reading Book 11: Knife of Dreams, too.

KillerNN

Left Behind.

u mad?

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ACt

Me? Naw... people read trash all the time.