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Old 01-23-2011, 08:11 PM   #1
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Minato final villain

Just wanted to make clear what I think about who Tobi really is. This is just a theory, a theory about a man who wanted to make a world a better place, but he used some fucked up means to achieve this. Besides is this really more strange than the notion of a 100 plus year old Madara cheating death and prancing around in a mask? At least Minato would be in his prime years now.

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no offense, and dont take away my first thanks but how does that make any sense?? they fought each other during the kyuubi incident.
No offense taken, that Minato = Tobi is something I personally want to see because then Kakashi (personal favorite) would probably fight him. It would be an emotional encounter. It's a wild theory, in fact I would be a lot louder about this theory if, like you said, Minato didn't fight Tobi in the backflash we have seen.

I mean, there is one explanation for that that seems improbable, that is Minato left Konoha and left a clone of himself behind to act as him. That clone wouldn't be an ordinary clone, but a Zetsu type clone. The clone wouldn't know it is a clone because Minato implanted some kind of seal to it. That would explain the encounter between the two.
In fact Zetsu was created by Tobi, so if Minato was able to create a Zetsu that early in the story, he would be able to replace himself with it and do his evil plans freely. Minato was a genius in his time, and if a genius like him went to the dark side, then he would be able to accomplish all the things Tobi has done so far.


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I've never been one to understand, or believe in the Minato = Tobi deal. Not only would Minato have basically called the Kyuubi against his own wife, son & clan, he then 'killed himself' (kinda like Madara in the past vs. Harashirma??). It just hasn't fit the personality of Minato, he didn't have beef with the ninja world, or Uchihas, or anybody specifically beyond Konoha's enemies.
Minato's personality, it could be that all the killing he did during the war made him insensitive or unable to fully appreciate the value of human life. To achieve peace (a noble idea) he decided to use methods that are evil. But this is just a wish of mine.

Here are the facts that would point to it being Minato:

Obito's sharingan (it is not yet proven that Tobi's sharingan is Obitos but c'mon son)
Style of fighting is using space/time jutsus
Knowledge of rikudo, uzumaki history, senju history and uchiha history (Minato was married to an uzumaki, was a hokage and had the access to hokage archives, was training and studying uzumaki seals, kyuubi called his seal on Naruto "rikudos seal")
Knowledge of Konoha ninjas (he recognized Fuu and Torune as members of their respective clans)
Rasengan (rasengan is designed to emulate menacing ball and is most effective if the person can use kyuubi chakra, when Minato developed rasengan he had no kyuubi chakra)
Knowledge of when the kyuubi seal was weakest (Tobi knew when the kyuubi seal was weakest when he attacked Kushina, something Minato would know)
Decision of using the Death god jutsu to seal kyuubi in Naruto when Kushina had the kyuubi under her control (with this Minato sealed half the kyuubi in himself and half the kyuubi in Naruto, this decision was not approved by Kushina and I don't approve either)
Tobi still hides his face and with that the identity from the readers and characters in Naruto (why do that unless the face is recognizable)
Tobi is a genius planner, Minato was (is) a genius
Tobi's actions are unknown prior to Minato's era as hokage

If I had to choose just one argument, it would be Obito's eye. Who else would be able to take Obito's eye and use it so proficiently? I used to think it was Obito himself, but Obito's personality is different than Tobi's. A lot different. Minato's personality could fit the bill, he was a genius and a knowledgeable person and he could be cold blooded.
Please don't flamoa moa, because I already know what you are going to say "it's not proven to be Obitos eye" "you dumb" "so Kakashi genius planner that mean he Tobi?" etc. This is a story and a story has it's own rules, in a story you don't introduce something unless it is going to be important later on.

Kakashi and Minato, two opposing sides

So a hero and a villain are the two opposites, if we assume Minato took Obitos eye and became Tobi...

Kakashi sharingan is left eye
Minato sharingan is right eye

Kakashi warps things with his sharingan
Minato warps himself with his sharingan

Kakashis sharingan was a gift given to him
Minato stole the sharingan

Kakashi believes in the next generation
Minato manipulates the next generation

Kakashi is passive (won't act unless provoked)
Minato is active (makes plans for world domination)

Kakashi upholds the belief that friends are more important than duty
Minato betrayed his friends and family (for his duty to achieve world peace)

Kakashi upholds the will of fire and is loyal to Konoha
Minato breaks the will of fire and betrays Konoha

So they are two complete opposites that will never come to an agreement. The only solution is to fight.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.
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Old 01-23-2011, 08:16 PM   #2
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Re: Minato final villain

See, to all those who have been claiming they are a troll, THIS is an example of how to be a troll. He takes something that has minimal evidence and then discusses it like it is true even though he doesn't believe in it himself just to elicit reactions.

Because... you don't honestly believe Minato is Tobi, right superninja?

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Re: Minato final villain

Pretty good theory. Except Obito is Tobi/Madara, obviously.
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Re: Minato final villain

Oh, excellent. Did you see that? Right there, we had the rare siting of a troll which used the groundwork of a previous troll to enhance his own troll. Now both trolls have put up competing trolls to enhance the confusion and imposed bickering of non-trolls in the forum. A really rare site... I hope you're all taking notes. I'm going in for a closer look.

Seriously... this shit ain't hard.
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Re: Minato final villain

Or to phrase it better . . . superninja stop fucking around.
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No lololol superninja honestly believes that.
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Re: Minato final villain

This is obviously who tobi is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFk_D..._order&list=UL
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...... no comment, jk I'm sitting here laughing my ass off
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Re: Minato final villain

tobi is minato. i dont need proof of it, i didnt even read the first post.
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Re: Minato final villain

Greatest theory ever. You left out the part where Minato was fighting his evil counterpart under the waterfall of truth, and totally got his ass owned, allowing his evil persona to take over his body.

Other then that, seems like a rock solid to theory to me. Speaking of rocks...


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Re: Minato final villain

I dunno guys. I've definitely seen dumber shit happen in naruto already. If I made a thread a few years ago predicting that some guy in the mango has A GODDAMN ARM FULL OF GODDAMN EYEBALLS, pretty sure everyone would say that's the dumbest thing ever.

Don't get me wrong, this theory is really dumb. But come on, it's naruto. If your theory isn't pretty dumb then it's probably wrong.
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Re: Minato final villain

Interesting. However, wouldn't it make more sense that the other eye is a ms genjutsu eye?
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
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Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: Minato final villain

Before the faces of ALL the Akataski were revealed and we saw God Realms silhouette, Kishi had the chance to make Minato the main Villian and actually it would have been a great plot twist.

Everyone would have thought he was insane and betrayed his Village. Madara could have STILL been the one behind it "controlling" Minato the whole time. He could have used Izanagi for the belief of him saving the village.

To tell you the truth i rather Kushina had left the village in order to join Tobdara (instead of Konan) and wait til the moment was right to free Minato from his control.
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