Remember remember the 25th of January - Page 3

Kina · 02-11-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjalostboy95

I know about all that political crap, but this guy went dictator style with the internet shit he pulled. Dictators should be killed in my opinion, especially if they suck and aren't trying to better the economy. What else should he be there for? He's like dead weight to Egypt.

I'm not sure if someone your age would be aware of this, but assassinations don't always end smelling like a bouquet of roses (i.e. Franz Ferdinand,).

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-11-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kina

I'm not sure if someone your age would be aware of this, but assassinations don't always end smelling like a bouquet of roses (i.e. Franz Ferdinand,).

Assasination isnt the way to go, but Mubarek being assasinated (by an eqiptian) wouldn't be like Franz Ferdinand.

Kina · 02-11-2011, 09:46 AM

Different circumstances, but you never know what will happen. It could spiral into a civil war.

Nerox · 02-11-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kina

I'm not sure if someone your age would be aware of this, but assassinations don't always end smelling like a bouquet of roses (i.e. Franz Ferdinand,).

Careful, you are entering an argument about how he is more intelligent than any other 15 year old with a highschool education.

Sensei-Q · 02-11-2011, 10:39 AM

Man, too bad. I thought he was finally going to back the fuck down. I was expecting massive rage of thousands all over the place. But they didn't. Shows they aren't butt-hurt at all. Just disappointed. And very mad.

ACt · 02-11-2011, 10:47 AM

Lemme just go all dictator style on you punks: DO WHAT I SAY! All your base, are belong to us.

OK, enough of that.

So yeah, for those who are wondering about Mubarak, he's fled to a Red Sea report according to what I'm reading, which could be false for all I know. I assume he'll kick back, appear every now and then, and collect his favours and monies from the Egyptian coffers before fleeing to some haven elsewhere - and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little USA help in his flight. He's buying time so he isn't completely ruined.

That said, for all that he is, I believe Nero when he says they don't want him killed. They want him tried and held responsible. Perhaps put in the stocks and paraded about a bit, but just shooting him isn't justice and I fear the power vacuum that would follow such an event.

My read on the military is that they have allowed Mubarak to stay for the time being. They are putting out a pro-protest image but have too much invested in the current government - they do get a large chunk of the foreign money given to the Mubarak regime. They support one of his lackey's being in power because it keeps them in money. I worry that if things continue to disintegrate, they may show less restraint and try to put down the protest. That would suck.

I think the powers that be around the world are hoping the protest just loses steam so they can set up properly rigged elections in September. Most foreign nations are a bit flummoxed by Mubarak's statement yesterday, as many were prepared for him to have stepped down. They really don't know what to do. (Except Iran, who wants to claim it is an Islamic uprising in hopes that the Muslim Brotherhood would take over... which is funny because right after, the Muslim Brotherhood denounced that idea, probably to make sure people don't turn on them in Egypt for thunder stealing.) It'd be nice to think someone could put more pressure on Mubarak, but I don't think that'll work. I think he's made his decision to get as much out of Egypt before he has to go and no one will tell him differently.

These are indeed interesting times.

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-11-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kina

Different circumstances, but you never know what will happen. It could spiral into a civil war.

Yeah, it could spiral (damn uzumaki) into a civil war, but a world war?

ACt · 02-11-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Yeah, it could spiral (damn uzumaki) into a civil war, but a world war?

Doubt a world war - there just aren't the same sort of alliances. When you think of how many treaties and promises there were in 1914, you could almost consider WWI a civil war in Europe, which spread to include a few others thus making it world war.

What we can probably expect is a realigning of the Middle East, which has been some time coming. The puppet dictators and map lines set up by Western Powers are going to be replaced and then it'll be up to the Arab world (mostly) to determine what sort of reforms take place. It could break down into fundamentalist nations, some what similar to what happened to Iran after 1979, but if the movements are kept honest, we could see a duplication of what happened in Turkey, in which a lengthy revolt eventually ended in the formation of a democratic system that is relatively stable.

What this means in either scenario is a reduction in the compliant allies in the Middle East for Western powers, but hopefully at least nations that could be dealt with, meaning there will have to be some levels of negotiation rather than just going behind the scenes to say "hey, oil?"

Or, of course, people could find a way to slot in a new dictator under the guise of democracy, like they've done with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kina · 02-11-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

Yeah, it could spiral (damn uzumaki) into a civil war, but a world war?

It was more of an example as to how assassinations can go south, rather than me saying that's what would happen. Although, the that region is further destabilized, I have many military friends who are highly concerned.

Darth-Nero · 02-11-2011, 11:12 AM

WE DID IT,WE DID IT,MUBARAK IS GONE AND THE ARMY IS NOW IN CHARGE!

FFFFFFFFFFFUCK YEAH,IT'S GONNA BE A PARTY TONIGHT!

cpas

kluang · 02-11-2011, 11:17 AM

So the rumor were true.

Congrats man. Once again FTP wins.

Sensei-Q · 02-11-2011, 11:18 AM

^Wait, what? What happened? (I'm not watching the news as we speak.)

kluang · 02-11-2011, 11:19 AM

He just resign, according to the news.

Sensei-Q · 02-11-2011, 11:21 AM

I thought he said he'll continue till September elections, but let the vice handle things till then. -Wait...

Kinako · 02-11-2011, 11:32 AM

My respect for this Nero guy just dramatically raised.

02-11-2011, 09:46 AM	#33
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02-11-2011, 10:39 AM	#35
Sensei-Q ✪✪✪✪✪ Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mijdrecht, Utrecht, Netherlands. Posts: 4,279 Thanks: 5,165 Thanked 2,904 Times in 1,711 Posts	Re: Remember remember the 25th of January Man, too bad. I thought he was finally going to back the fuck down. I was expecting massive rage of thousands all over the place. But they didn't. Shows they aren't butt-hurt at all. Just disappointed. And very mad. __________________ "Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men." Jean Rostand

02-11-2011, 10:47 AM	#36
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,249 Thanks: 5,321 Thanked 18,674 Times in 4,842 Posts	Re: Remember remember the 25th of January Lemme just go all dictator style on you punks: DO WHAT I SAY! All your base, are belong to us. OK, enough of that. So yeah, for those who are wondering about Mubarak, he's fled to a Red Sea report according to what I'm reading, which could be false for all I know. I assume he'll kick back, appear every now and then, and collect his favours and monies from the Egyptian coffers before fleeing to some haven elsewhere - and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little USA help in his flight. He's buying time so he isn't completely ruined. That said, for all that he is, I believe Nero when he says they don't want him killed. They want him tried and held responsible. Perhaps put in the stocks and paraded about a bit, but just shooting him isn't justice and I fear the power vacuum that would follow such an event. My read on the military is that they have allowed Mubarak to stay for the time being. They are putting out a pro-protest image but have too much invested in the current government - they do get a large chunk of the foreign money given to the Mubarak regime. They support one of his lackey's being in power because it keeps them in money. I worry that if things continue to disintegrate, they may show less restraint and try to put down the protest. That would suck. I think the powers that be around the world are hoping the protest just loses steam so they can set up properly rigged elections in September. Most foreign nations are a bit flummoxed by Mubarak's statement yesterday, as many were prepared for him to have stepped down. They really don't know what to do. (Except Iran, who wants to claim it is an Islamic uprising in hopes that the Muslim Brotherhood would take over... which is funny because right after, the Muslim Brotherhood denounced that idea, probably to make sure people don't turn on them in Egypt for thunder stealing.) It'd be nice to think someone could put more pressure on Mubarak, but I don't think that'll work. I think he's made his decision to get as much out of Egypt before he has to go and no one will tell him differently. These are indeed interesting times.

02-11-2011, 11:12 AM	#40
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02-11-2011, 11:17 AM	#41
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02-11-2011, 11:18 AM	#42
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02-11-2011, 11:19 AM	#43
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,658 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: Remember remember the 25th of January He just resign, according to the news. __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

02-11-2011, 11:21 AM	#44
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