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 04-08-2011, 04:45 AM #1 AniMeFaN Chuunin   Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 717 Thanks: 103 Thanked 195 Times in 128 Posts 48÷2(9+3) = D'awww I saw this on another forum and a ton of people had different answers. A ton of people were having an arguement about it and I found it very funny so I figured I would bring it here. 500 of 1000 educated people got this answer wrong worldwide. 48÷2(9+3) = ??

 04-08-2011, 05:14 AM #2 kluang One Punch Man     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,404 Thanks: 3,166 Thanked 4,594 Times in 2,086 Posts Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?? Its 288. How can a ton of people have different answer about it? 48 divide by 2 is 24. 9+3= 12 24 x 12 = 288 1+1=3 __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you﻿ are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality. Last edited by kluang; 04-08-2011 at 05:15 AM.
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04-08-2011, 05:43 AM   #3
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ??

Its obvious where the difference comes from. Some do what you did some do the multiplication before the division and get 2
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Quotes for noobs (learn how to break up a quote)
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide

1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
 this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag

2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mangastream Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]

Which without any * would look like

Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey,
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha how do you break it up please
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha and if your not willingly to tell me,
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha then please DONT offer me no advice in future

Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]

Which would look like

Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey,
Quote:
 how do you break it up please
Quote:
 and if your not willingly to tell me,
Quote:

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)

Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems

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 04-08-2011, 05:51 AM #4 kluang One Punch Man     Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,404 Thanks: 3,166 Thanked 4,594 Times in 2,086 Posts Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?? Either way it's a poorly written problem __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you﻿ are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.
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04-08-2011, 06:10 AM   #5
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ??

It was probably intentional
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide

1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
 this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag

2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mangastream Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]

Which without any * would look like

Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey,
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha how do you break it up please
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha and if your not willingly to tell me,
Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha then please DONT offer me no advice in future

Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]

Which would look like

Quote:
 Originally Posted by minato uchiha Ok Stubborn donkey,
Quote:
 how do you break it up please
Quote:
 and if your not willingly to tell me,
Quote:

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)

Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems

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 04-08-2011, 09:09 AM #6 ACt Heart Wizard     Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,186 Thanks: 5,275 Thanked 18,419 Times in 4,777 Posts Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?? I think you may want to stop and check the credibility of where ever you got that from, particularly to identify what they consider "educated". Anyway, order of operations, blah blah, pointless thread not funny. __________________ I've become A simple souvenir of someone's kill And like the sea I'm constantly changing from calm to ill Madness fills my heart and soul as if the great divide could swallow me whole oh, how I'm breaking down
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 04-08-2011, 09:25 AM #7 AniMeFaN Chuunin   Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 717 Thanks: 103 Thanked 195 Times in 128 Posts Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?? so whats your answer? i lean towards 2
 04-08-2011, 09:31 AM #8 Jaxon WE ARE SCOOTER BROTHERS     Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,393 Thanks: 3,567 Thanked 12,426 Times in 3,650 Posts Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ?? It's a very poorly annotated equation. Who the hell uses the ÷ symbol for this stuff? The answer is either 288, or 2. I don't know, or care, enough about maths to make a distinction. I doubt anyone here does. Maybe 48 might, but he's not here so whatever.
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04-08-2011, 09:35 AM   #9
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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ??

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 Originally Posted by Jaxon It's a very poorly annotated equation. Who the hell uses the ÷ symbol for this stuff? The answer is either 288, or 2. I don't know, or care, enough about maths to make a distinction. I doubt anyone here does. Maybe 48 might, but he's not here so whatever.
what symbol would you use for division? this /? doesnt change anything

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Re: 48÷2(9+3) = ??

Quote:
 Originally Posted by AkamaruChewtoy I think you may want to stop and check the credibility of where ever you got that from, particularly to identify what they consider "educated". Anyway, order of operations, blah blah, pointless thread not funny.
QFT.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey It was probably intentional
Of course it was, it lacks the appropriate symbols.

Fist of all 2(9+3) is NOT always 2*(9+3). Some people/institutions interpret it as 2^(9+3), which would be a completely different number, so the lack of the indication of operation is faulty.

Also, the presentation is laughable. This is how you represent division (for example):

That ÷ symbol is nonexistent after elementary school classes (at least here). So that's another thing that is incredibly faulty.

Finally, the order of operations depends on the countries: here division has priority over multiplication, but it's different depending on the institution/country, so of course it'll have different results.

So, with might be 2 (if you multiply before division), 288 (if you divide before multiplication) or 3/256 (if you use exponential instead of multiplication).

There, happy?
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04-08-2011, 09:46 AM   #11
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 Originally Posted by Numinous QFT.That ÷ symbol is nonexistent after elementary school classes (at least here). So that's another thing that is incredibly faulty.
how is it faulty if thats the sign for division? means the same thing as this /.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Numinous : here division has priority over multiplication
really, why would your country teach math different then everywhere else, i thought that math was the universal language everyone spoke the same.

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 Originally Posted by AniMeFaN how is it faulty if thats the sign for division? means the same thing as this /.
Except nobody (after elementary school or junior high in some cases) uses them like that. Did you see the fraction I posted (although is a little blurry, damn google image betrayed me)? That's how people present division in a way that is clear to everyone.

Quote:
 really, why would your country teach math different then everywhere else, i thought that math was the universal language everyone spoke the same.
That's fallacious to think. Mathematic is indeed a universal language, since it uses the same symbols in the same processes. But like any language, some stuff varies from region to region. Some regions give priority to division, others to multiplications, some to addition, others to subtraction. The difference in the final result should be nonexistent if the math problem is presented in an adequate form, which isn't the case here. Which reminds me of another thing this thing lacks: more brackets.
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04-08-2011, 10:00 AM   #13
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 Originally Posted by Numinous Except nobody (after elementary school or junior high in some cases) uses them like that. Did you see the fraction I posted (although is a little blurry, damn google image betrayed me)? That's how people present division in a way that is clear to everyone.
so the sign for division(÷) is unclear and faulty? its not clearly saying divide and the other symbol / does not mean the exact same thing?

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Numinous That's fallacious to think. Mathematic is indeed a universal language, since it uses the same symbols in the same processes. But like any language, some stuff varies from region to region. Some regions give priority to division, others to multiplications, some to addition, others to subtraction. The difference in the final result should be nonexistent if the math problem is presented in an adequate form, which isn't the case here. Which reminds me of another thing this thing lacks: more brackets.
i was under the impression that the universal rules were all the same to solve a math equation. you know multiplication and division being equal but i guess your country decided to do math their own way.

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 Originally Posted by AniMeFaN so the sign for division(÷) is unclear and faulty? its not clearly saying divide and the other symbol / does not mean the exact same thing?
Yes, both are the same thing, but I haven't seen ÷ in ages on math problems and / is faulty if the proper annotations are missing.

Let us take for example 2/3*4=?

What does this mean? Is it two thirds times four or two divided by the product of multiplying 3 with 4? Nobody knows, because it lacks brackets.

So it should be either (2/3)*4 or 2/(3*4). See? That's how math works, genius.

Quote:
 you know multiplication and division being equal but i guess your country decided to do math their own way.
Yes, they are, but I think you're not getting what I'm saying.

Let us take another example: (2*3)+(4/5)

Which operation takes priority while solving the problem? Some people go straight to the multiplication, while others prefer to tackle the division first. The result will be the same, but the process of solving it will be different.

Now if you take a piss poor math equation like yours, people that learn to do the multiplication first will do it and get 2, while others, like kluang and myself, would tackle the division first and get 288, and the difference shouldn't happen. Who's fault is it? Not ours, that's for sure.
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 Originally Posted by Numinous Yes, both are the same thing, but I haven't seen ÷ in ages on math problems and / is faulty if the proper annotations are missing. Let us take for example 2/3*4=? What does this mean? Is it two thirds times four or two divided by the product of multiplying 3 with 4? Nobody knows, because it lacks brackets. So it should be either (2/3)*4 or 2/(3*4). See? That's how math works, genius. .

actually thats not how math works, it would be (2/3)*4

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Numinous Let us take another example: (2*3)+(4/5) Which operation takes priority while solving the problem? Some people go straight to the multiplication, while others prefer to tackle the division first. The result will be the same, but the process of solving it will be different. .
you do what ever is in the parentheses and then add them both. nothing really to think about here.

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