-SassyLady-

Wait wtf? Enlighten me more because you have just confused me.

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Numinous

Holy necromancy, Jesus!

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Gakure

1 Cor. 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Explanation is useless to those who have already made up their minds about God and his existence, and don't give room for changes.

Everything must be physically, logically and plain in sight before they believe it is true.

Well, I have news for them, God is Real. So is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. You cannot understand this mystery until you open your hearts. This things are spiritually discerned. You cant use your earthly knowledge in this matter.

I pray God will grant you the grace to understand these things.

Peace out.

Edit: Check out my sig. HELL IS MORE THAN REAL.

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kael03

I'm an Atheist. I find you quoting scripture as an argument for the existence of "God" laughably pathetic and ill-conceived. Have fun with the Rapture today.

ask me anything

So you're basically wasting your time, since we have our minds made up, and you admit you lack the ability to change our opinions.

For me, if you can give a logical argument about how God does his miracle, then yeah I'd totally believe in him. Before you go, "But it can't be done. Miracles are a one time deal." ,take a good look at the universe around us. Obviously there are certain indisputable laws that govern everything. Gravity doesn't just stop working some days does it? If some Deity created our universe, then certainly he would have been the one to implement these laws of physics. In which case "miracles" would be nothing more then that deities manipulation of the universe in a way that mankind doesn't understand at this point. In any event it should be a re-creatable event that would be testable if we had the opportunity.

Perhaps before you start preaching to us, you should understand your own bible a bit.




Romans 14:1-13
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.


tl;dr, Quit preaching and get your own life in order. Also quit pestering people in book stores. I grew up in a very chritian household, and it pains me greatly when I hear guys at Books-A-Million trying to out-preach one another, and neither has any idea what they're talking about. It almost makes me want to go up to them and say "You're doing it wrong".

I'm atheist by the way, but I still know my stuff, and have actually read the ENTIRE bible. If you want to get into some debate over this shit, then just quote a passage, and I'll quote 5 more that completely contradict that shit.....because it does.


There's something more real then real?!?!?! Oh, shit.

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First of all, I quoted no scripture to explain the existence of God. I did to tell people not to try to understand this mystery with common knowledge. That's all I did.

By the way, no true christian believed this rapture thing cos we know from Jesus' own words that only the God Almighty knows that particular time. Hit Matt 24:36. It will explain the rest. Camping is no true christian, ignoring the Word like that. Get it at the back of ur minds, THE RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN.


Exactly. As long as u keep to ur 'common knowledge and logic', no one can help u. All I can do for u is to pray for a change of heart to even listen and then u go make ur decision.

I stopped right there. 'logical argument'? See what am talking abt. I will be wasting my time since u want it 'LOGICAL', which it isn't.

I've had this argument b4 with Mibz, Mal, ACT and Num.

Hahaha, u make me laugh. U are not even in the faith to begin with.

Am no saint, not perfect, never said I was. Being a born-again xtian doesnt mean u are a saint. Xtians do wrong, they sin, are fallible, and that is a fact. If u are ready to criticize someone, check to see if u deserve the same critcism. That's what the message is abt.

So if someone does something wrong(xtian or not), we shd overlook it. NO. Jesus' statement is against the kind of HYPOCRITICAL, JUDGMENTAL attitude that tears down others in order to build oneself up(look holy). It is for as to be 'discerning' rather than 'nagative'

A good example is Harold Camping. What he did was wrong and Jesus said to expose such people(Matt 7:15-23)and trust God to be the final Judge(I cor 4:3-5)

See how u are using the same bible u dont trust to try prove ur points. As for 5 more quotes, I will be waiting for them.

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Jaxon

Quoted for truth.

Gakure

Hahaha. I know. No need to pour fuel into fire.

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Numinous

Gakure is yet again praying for our souls, while we pray he grows some common sense. It seems that both prays are highly ineffective.

Of course we can change our minds: if we are given highly undeniable proof that God exists, we'd be stupid for not believing in Him. But since such proof is yet to be found, the lack of belief on such a thing as a god is the most logical stance.

Well, duh? How the hell are we to believe X exists if we can't perceive it or obtain a mathematical law that leads to the discovery of the existence of it? You can't simply ask for faith to people who have none (because faith, like theism, is acquired through social interaction, it's not a standard characteristic of the human being).

O'rly? Care to prove it within logical parameters, with 0% of faith in it?

Jesus? I think Jesus was a real man (only hugely exaggerated in his feats), but the Holy Spirit? Again, a logical explanation would be appreciated.

And shut our brains, amirite? And why the use of the word "mystery"? It's no mystery, it's either the truth or shenanigans. And by the looks of it, the latter seems to still apply.

But it's the only one we have, extrapolating outside of it is more trouble than worth.

I hope your God tells you to stop evangelizing people, since it's rude.

We don't believe in hell, so why scare us with it? That's as effective as robbing a bank with a rubber ducky. And didn't your parents tell you that is rude to verbally assault people? Because argument ad infernum is pretty much it.

Define true Christian. Please, enlighten me, because with so many sects of Christianity, which one is the "true" one? And what is the right approach to the Bible that a "true" Christian should do, literal or more flax? Please, the expression you used is so loaded that I'm very confused by it.

I did better, I checked the whole chapter 24:


I checked the Greek for you, humas, and it's very specific on the intention: Jesus was talking about the disciples, not the Christians in general, so the end of the world should have come shortly after the lifetime of the disciples. Which is reinforced by this verse:

So the world already ended if you are to trust the Bible. Which everyone and their mothers know it didn't, or else we wouldn't be talking here, so no rapture for you!


Let's put aside the fact I already debunked this, but so what? Who are the "true" Christians that we'll be target of it? See how this disaster of an expression kicks you in the back?


So let's take the most lax definition of it and say it's everyone that consider themselves Christians. That's 2 billion people out of the picture, and certainly a lot of us in the forum would lose many people dear to us, the upside is that the economy would receive an heck of an overhaul, we wouldn't need as much resources as we do (therefore things like fuel, food, clothes, among others, would be much cheaper), Christian abandoned wealth could be distributed to poorer countries, Christian estate could be given to poor and/or homeless people, science would progress much smoother without the Christian moral dogs, etc. So you guys getting raptured is pretty much the best thing ever to the rest of the world.


And all that Antichrist and demons shenanigans? Nuke them! Falling stars? Bunkers! Water turning into absinthe? We already have water filters to turn salty water into fresh water, absinthe would be easy as pie (and it'd be temporary, since the Bible says it just happens with the passing of the Absinthe star/comet). The world nowadays has a lot of ways to counter things that spooked Bronze Age farmers, so I'm not the least bit worried about the future of the human race, even if the fairy tails of the Bible are true.




As long as you keep preaching instead of doing something more productive with your time, none can help you.



So only Christians can use the Bible to kick your sorry ass? Nice double standards!



Oh boy, the "born again" crap. Isn't being "born again" passing through the sacrament of baptism (at least by Acts 2:38)? If that's so, I should be considered "born again", since I was baptized, and yet I'm an atheist.


I know, I know, you are referring to truly accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and the rest of the spiritual truckload, but by observation of my Christians friends, they always believed in all of that since they have memories, so I really don't get that interpretation of "born again". But maybe it's a cultural dissonance, being the US mainly protestant while Portugal is mainly catholic.

So, if Christians in practical terms aren't better than non-Christians, what's there for us? Poor literacy bad enough to not being able to write "about"?

Because the best way to shut up evangelizing buffoons like you is to make them taste their own medicine.

So, since by the inflection on the "true" Christians and being born-again, I'm sure you would:

• Allow being castrated and not marry just to get a spot in heaven. (Matthew 19:10-12)
• Send your wife (that you no longer love) to be stoned to death with the excuse of "she wasn't a virgin we got hitched" and the parents couldn't prove she was a virgin. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
• Stone a man to death for working on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36)
• Kill birds, wash others in the dead bird's blood, shake them to sprinkle the blood towards the leper to cure him. But no, that's not enough for the cure: you also would kill a lamb and place its blood on the ill and then kill 2 more birds as offerings, then you have the leprosy washed off! (Leviticus 14:1-32)
• Offer your virgin daughters to sexual predators if you think that'll protect the asses of supernatural manifestations that are dining at your home (Genesis 19:1-8)

5 examples of many in the Bible that work wonders against apologists and evangelists.

So, Gakure, I have nothing against you in other matters, but when it comes to God & Zombie Jesus and whatever, just sit down and have a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up.

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kael03

Num... I love you in a totally non-homosexual way.

Numinous

Good, or else Gakure would have to stone us, in the bad way >.>

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Miburo

Why?

If someone said that invisible magic space turtles (Or whatever totally imaginary thing that I make up) existed and are real, and logic and reasoning don't work in regards to them, would you believe him? I'm hoping you'd say no.

What makes what you're doing in here any different than that? I assume you don't believe in the existence of any imaginary thing I make up. And I assume you don't believe in the gods in norse mythology, greek mythology, the deities in hinduism, the kami in shintoism, etc. Despite the fact that your god has the same amount of evidence supporting his existence as all those deities have supporting theirs. That being none, of course. What makes your god different? Why believe in your god over, say, Odin? I mean, fuck, at least Odin is cool.

ask me anything

If you want to pray, then do so, but keep it to yourself. I for one have long since made my mind up on this issue, and there's nothing you can do to change my mind. I'm certainly not going to sit here and try to talk you out of your beliefs. You have every right to believe what you will, just as I have the right not to. Difference is, I don't have a "holier then thou" attitude, and attempt to convert people over the internet. Because I'm humble like that....just like jesus. Oh, snap.

What? You can't be christian and logical at the same time?

That's right. I see the bible as nothing more then parables. Most of it's good stuff to live by. Does anyone really need faith to understand the meaning behind the stories. Of course not. In fact, it's because I'm not blinded by unyielding faith, that I can see the meanings much clearer then you.


That's exactly the point. Now apply it to yourself.

Also wtf is this Xtian shit? Aren't you proud to be a christian? If so call yourself one.

It's the fact I'm using your bible to disprove you that IS the point. Apparently the irony went over your head.

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Vishnu

Actually is like AMA said, the bible is an alegory of parables. You cannot actually apply to the society that we are living in the whole biblical concept of life. My country in terms of religion os based on the Eastern Orthodox Church. This Eastern Orthodox Church promotes ( no other term coming to me right now) the rite of Fasting. For the guys that don't know what fasting means, fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from some or all food, drink, or both, for a period of time. The irony here is that it's not quite wilingly because e whole mentality is screwed up and it's considered a grave sin if you don't do it. So now i ask, why an entity that is all powerful, that created us the people and everything that we see would care about someone who doesn't eat let's say cheese for a month? So you see, the religion is the first manifestation of fraud to control limited minds. How can you control a population? Threaten it with the hell : eternal sufference if they don't obey what the bible said. Amd who wrote the bible? Men did.

Personally i belive in God, but god only. I don't belive in the church or the rituals. I belive that some entity exists, i don't have rational arguments to support my faith but i'm not a church maniac.

Also, It is not for the gods to decide whether or not Man exists,it is for man to decide whether or not Gods exist.

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