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Old 06-10-2011, 07:04 PM   #1066
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had a thought.

I rather Naruto gain power or surpass his Dad and Mom and even Sasuke with only HIS natural self. I don't mind Sage Mode, but RS is a no go for me. If it was a thing he had in emergencies say AFTER all his chakra is gone, that would be fine.

I just miss the under dog that had as much to prove to himself as he did to others, more even. He worked hard and never gave up. I rather he learned FTG and just improved or put his own twist on it would be more Naruto-ish IMO.

Him surpassing him with RS is not as impressive. Especially since the stuff that gives him RS is in limited supply. So basically he will surpass his dad for a short time? That sucks. He should have utilized that new training method to improve his strength and speed(not to mention intelligence).

Anyone can train to improve their speed, hell I would have taken a page from Lee for that one. 1000 clones wearing weights for a week, imagine the effect once they all dispersed?!

anyway bottom line i rather have the hard working Naruto back w/ Sage mode.
Wut? How would Naruto use it after all his chakra were gone. It's his chakra that's needed to trade with the fox to begin with. If he were to try going RS mode without chakra, he would die, and the fox would be released and run amok. You need to think things out a bit more.
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:28 AM   #1067
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Wut? How would Naruto use it after all his chakra were gone. It's his chakra that's needed to trade with the fox to begin with. If he were to try going RS mode without chakra, he would die, and the fox would be released and run amok. You need to think things out a bit more.
I was under the assumption that muscle memory and body conditioning is not something that can be transferred through clones...
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I was under the assumption that muscle memory and body conditioning is not something that can be transferred through clones...
Not for Naruto, his clones can be actual copies of himself, and at the same time part of himself, weird, confusing.
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:37 PM   #1069
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I was under the assumption that muscle memory and body conditioning is not something that can be transferred through clones...
What are you talking about? Nobody said anything even remotely related to muscle memory or body conditioning.

King Leonin said he doesn't like Naruto using RS mode, and that he'd prefer if he only used it if he had no other choice. His specific words were "After Naruto used up all his Chakra".


I was just explaining that it's takes chakra to trade with the fox for it's chakra. So if Naruto doesn't have any chakra he can't use RS mode anyway. What's more, it was explained that once the fox has used up all naruto's chakra, he'll take over his body and be set free. Therefore going RS mode is not only impossible with no chakra, but even trying to do it will kill him. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:30 PM   #1070
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What are you talking about? Nobody said anything even remotely related to muscle memory or body conditioning.

King Leonin said he doesn't like Naruto using RS mode, and that he'd prefer if he only used it if he had no other choice. His specific words were "After Naruto used up all his Chakra".


I was just explaining that it's takes chakra to trade with the fox for it's chakra. So if Naruto doesn't have any chakra he can't use RS mode anyway. What's more, it was explained that once the fox has used up all naruto's chakra, he'll take over his body and be set free. Therefore going RS mode is not only impossible with no chakra, but even trying to do it will kill him. What's so hard to understand about that?
What i was saying or trying to was .

IF RS was SOMETHING that he only had access to after all his chakra was gone, kinda like in part one. when he had to use all of his chakra before getting to the Fox chakra.

I apologize for not making myself clear.
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:52 PM   #1071
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What i was saying or trying to was .

IF RS was SOMETHING that he only had access to after all his chakra was gone, kinda like in part one. when he had to use all of his chakra before getting to the Fox chakra.

I apologize for not making myself clear.
Too bad that's not how the manga said it is. Aside from that, it doesn't make sense anyway. Why would you want naruto to exhaust himself first just so he can use the fox power? That's like telling someone to run a marathon to give them enough energy to run a 4 minute mile after that. It just doesn't work.
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It's a failsafe, last ditch power up, how can you not understand what he is trying to say?
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What are you talking about? Nobody said anything even remotely related to muscle memory or body conditioning.

King Leonin said he doesn't like Naruto using RS mode, and that he'd prefer if he only used it if he had no other choice. His specific words were "After Naruto used up all his Chakra".


I was just explaining that it's takes chakra to trade with the fox for it's chakra. So if Naruto doesn't have any chakra he can't use RS mode anyway. What's more, it was explained that once the fox has used up all naruto's chakra, he'll take over his body and be set free. Therefore going RS mode is not only impossible with no chakra, but even trying to do it will kill him. What's so hard to understand about that?
Erm... would you believe me if I said I ended up multi-quoting a single post which turned out to be the wrong one??

My reference was to his other post which said he could use clones to increase his speed, which I then countered by saying that muscle memory and development has to be done in person and not through clones. Only chakra oriented stuff works with clones...
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Erm... would you believe me if I said I ended up multi-quoting a single post which turned out to be the wrong one??

My reference was to his other post which said he could use clones to increase his speed, which I then countered by saying that muscle memory and development has to be done in person and not through clones. Only chakra oriented stuff works with clones...
then how did he know Sasuke was the one that killed his clone?

Naruto's clones are perfect for training because what they LEARN he learns.

why do you think in part one when used a lot of clones for an attack after they all got dispersed he knew how to fight his opponent?

Naruto has the potential to learn more Jutsu than Kakashi & the 3rd. It is his "sharinghan" in that way. I mean unless it is something that is impossible to learn.

I just wish he multi shadow train in a library or something read some how to be a ninja books or Art of War, yeah that one would be good!
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then how did he know Sasuke was the one that killed his clone?

Naruto's clones are perfect for training because what they LEARN he learns.

why do you think in part one when used a lot of clones for an attack after they all got dispersed he knew how to fight his opponent?

Naruto has the potential to learn more Jutsu than Kakashi & the 3rd. It is his "sharinghan" in that way. I mean unless it is something that is impossible to learn.

I just wish he multi shadow train in a library or something read some how to be a ninja books or Art of War, yeah that one would be good!
You're on the right path, but you're not there. The clones experience transfers back to Naruto, but anything physical does not. Meaning Naruto cannot train his physical body faster or stronger with clones, only mental experiences like learning new jutsus (as shown when he was using them to learn how to use Wind chakra and make the Rasenshuriken and when he was learning to harness Sage chakra). Naruto used the clones as a means of training to increase the speed of his training, but it also causes mental exhaustion as his mind suddenly experiences months to years of training as soon as he disperses his shadow clones.
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Erm... would you believe me if I said I ended up multi-quoting a single post which turned out to be the wrong one??

My reference was to his other post which said he could use clones to increase his speed, which I then countered by saying that muscle memory and development has to be done in person and not through clones. Only chakra oriented stuff works with clones...
LOL, I've had the exact same thing happen to me before.
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Re: Just a Thought THREAD

What would happen if Naruto tried to gather Natural Energy while in RS mode?
Would the NE combine with the Kyuubi chakra and give him RS sage mode?
I'm curious what you all think would happen.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:44 AM   #1078
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is it important that it goes in that direction, Kyuubi then NE, or is it the same for you if its NE then Kyuubi
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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is it important that it goes in that direction, Kyuubi then NE, or is it the same for you if its NE then Kyuubi
Well I think any combination of the two would be great. But If it goes Ne than Kyuubi his SM would be Limited. But if he goes RS he can gather enough NE to match the Kyuubi chakra that way it would last longer. And maybe everytime he goes RS he enters SM also.
Which do you think would be the most plausible?
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What I really wish, was that the Kyuubi Mode gave Naruto the ability to create balls where it really matters...
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