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Old 07-08-2011, 04:37 PM   #13981
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Once she's back on the streets, though...

At least, to my knowledge, Florida does have the same retarded time-served system that Manitoba does, where a criminal can receive double credit for time served before and during the trial. There have been some cases where the person is free to go essentially prior to their sentencing.


Prison systems everywhere could use an overhaul. Prison is a deterrent for many people, and some people can be rehabilitated, but the main reason prison prevents crime is be keeping dangerous criminals off the streets.

Graduated sentencing, in which the sentence for a crime increases with each repeat offense, is one of the best things that could happen to the justice system. The other best thing that could happen is for it to be understood that you are given rights in exchange for your agreement to follow the law. If you break that law, you should forfeit many of your rights, much unlike Maniotoba's much decried "Hug-a-Thug" policies that offer more support for the criminal than the victim. Shit's whack, mane.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:56 PM   #13982
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

life sentences are the most ridiculous things ever. i would prefer death penalty instead of that. wasting all our tax money for nothing. yay for overcrowded jailz in cali.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:06 PM   #13983
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

The only problem I have with the capital punishment is the possibility of wrongful convictions. They are incredibly rare though, and only going to become more so as forensic technology improves, so I would be in favour of the death penalty. Also, none of this "spend years on death row" bullshit. If they're going to die, just get it over with.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:39 PM   #13984
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

yea some of them live til old age before their death penalty comes around =\
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:44 PM   #13985
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I would just kill myself instead of waiting twenty years to die anyway.

Or arrange for someone to help me escape in an epic jail-break. =D
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:56 PM   #13986
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

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life sentences are the most ridiculous things ever. i would prefer death penalty instead of that. wasting all our tax money for nothing. yay for overcrowded jailz in cali.
Let's step back, take a deep breath, and maybe remove some of the emotional bias we have because of the current situation. Think of all the people that our corrupt city governments have put on death row even though they didn't deserve it.

Plus, I do not think the death penalty will necessarily solve the overcrowded prison problem. That has to do with tons of people locked up because of drugs.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:14 PM   #13987
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Anti-death penalty lobby reporting in. This is because I don't believe short-sighted biblical concepts like "eye for an eye" belong in an enlightened society, and even if we're not one, we should aim to be.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:17 PM   #13988
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

Yeah, I'm a no go with the death penalty. Shit, in school I wrote letters for Amnesty to try get people in the US off it.

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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

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Anti-death penalty lobby reporting in. This is because I don't believe short-sighted biblical concepts like "eye for an eye" belong in an enlightened society, and even if we're not one, we should aim to be.
Alas, very small % of the population would say the same. Most would not care, others would say kill him/her. Nice that you are an optimist about an enlightened society, but I don't see it happening. Ever.

Also, I am not sure if I am against the DP (haha), but if you ask me, it's harder to live through the rest of your life in a prison then a swift death, so I guess I'd say that I am.

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:32 PM   #13990
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I believe in the death penalty for extreme cases, like Osama Bin Laden types, but even then, I don't think that we should believe the illusion that it solves the actual terrorist problem.

I am totally against using it on citizens of our own country, though.
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I like how you edited your post to laugh at "DP". Because... I laughed as well.

Yeah, I just believe in the sanctity of human life. I don't think vengeance, retribution, or "justice" are acceptable rationale for giving the State the right to kill people. As for the arguments that it saves on prison overcrowding and whatnot, ignoring the fact that as has been mentioned, Death Row inmates can die of old before they even reach the chair, I think that when you start killing people off as a means to level the budget, you bring into question the rationale for even punishing murder in the first place.
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I don't think that personal ethical choices really play into what the government's role is, that of protecting the its citizens in the most efficient way possible. In other words, the government does not punish to dish out justice, but to hopefully keep it from happening again. You could argue that death row and even the actual execution cost a lot of money, but that is only based off of our current system. I don't really buy into the whole "human rights, man" argument because I find that it is just another way of someone giving more value to their own subjective opinion of what "rights" humans ought to have.

A right is something that, by necessity, cannot be taken from you. A right is not something that should not be taken from you. If you want to call that a right, then sure, but at least don't forget to remember that it is your own personal opinion.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:59 PM   #13993
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I'm against the death penalty because a lot of criminals are big, strong men who we could easily use in labour camps or mines or something. Bring back prison labour forces!

However, for truly violent and taboo crimes, I am fully for castration/sterilization. These people should not breed. Also, as a plus, how many gangs do you think would continue in crime knowing that if they get caught, they'll lose their balls? Clean up the streets while we're at it.
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Re: The Longest Thread Ever v28

I'm on the fence about capital punishment. I know. I know. 'Fucking fence sitters', but I would prefer to walk a line appose to ignorantly stepping to one side or the other. And I haven't really given the subject its deserved diligence, like perhaps many of you have.

In most cases, I would say I'm against it, because of this:
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The only problem I have with the capital punishment is the possibility of wrongful convictions.
Not having the power to give life back to the dead, makes it seem irrational to take it. Particularly if there is the possibility, albeit slim, that a mistake could be made. It seems much more prudent to afford the necessary effort needed, to identify and root out the causes of such criminal behavior. Its kind of upsetting to think that so many go threw life as law abiding citizens, simply to retains ones freedom.

On the other side of the curve. I may be inclined to think if a criminal has shown a blatant disregard for his fellow mans life, then his own may be forfeited. But as was mentioned that really doesn't fix anything, except perhaps to give a sense retribution and satisfaction. Which isn't akin justice.
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I don't think that personal ethical choices really play into what the government's role is, that of protecting the its citizens in the most efficient way possible. In other words, the government does not punish to dish out justice, but to hopefully keep it from happening again. You could argue that death row and even the actual execution cost a lot of money, but that is only based off of our current system. I don't really buy into the whole "human rights, man" argument because I find that it is just another way of someone giving more value to their own subjective opinion of what "rights" humans ought to have.

A right is something that, by necessity, cannot be taken from you. A right is not something that should not be taken from you. If you want to call that a right, then sure, but at least don't forget to remember that it is your own personal opinion.
If you accept that as government's mandate, then that means you're fine with losing all personal freedoms. "Protecting its citizens in the most efficient way possible" has resulted in the Patriot act, "justification" for two foreign wars and the international stigmatisation of US citizens in the last decade alone.

I agree that the purpose of the criminal justice system is to prevent further crimes from happening. However, I do not believe that the systematic killing of those responsible is either necessary or morally correct. These are personal ethics, yes, but so is the view that someone who takes a life forfeits the right to their own. There is no natural law that states the value of human life, we give it value. And I think that if we value human life so much as to make ending it malevolently a crime, then that should be reflected in the way our society deals with that crime.

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