Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically - Page 2

xxMESTxx · 10-27-2011, 06:01 PM

^ It's sad how right you are. Thank you num for this post, just finished reading through. I'll probably read it a few more times so I understand it better.

stubborn_d0nkey · 10-27-2011, 07:44 PM

Awesome job Num! My recent thread was supposed to be something like this (it wouldn't have been as good as this, not even remotely) but I just couldn't be bothered to do it, so I switched the thread

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

Yoiu did good Numinous but you know change is slow so be patient ..even I will try to catch myself on a few of these as I go along

you just gotta give me a break on the Naruto is senju thing cuz without it I'm powerless..lol

This fits, right? Helping ya learn

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Originally Posted by Numinous

viii. Appeal to consequences

Occurs when someone appeals to the consequences of a certain action in an attempt to derail the argument.

Example: “Naruto is a Senju, because if he isn’t then any upcoming fight between Sasuke and Naruto won’t be as symbolic.”

Emissary of Justice · 10-28-2011, 11:21 AM

This thread is missing one major logical fallacy.

No idea what you'd prefer to call it, but the idea that Tobi has to be___________ because he looks like that person or has the same hairstyle. This is a story where every ninja that graduates from Konoha knows how to do the Transformation Jutsu.

platinumrug · 10-28-2011, 12:07 PM

Learned all of this in grade school, even though I forgot as soon as I went to middle school. Still a refreshing bit of information, thanks Num, eye feelz smarturds alreadie

Numinous · 10-28-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Emissary of Justice

This thread is missing one major logical fallacy.

No idea what you'd prefer to call it, but the idea that Tobi has to be___________ because he looks like that person or has the same hairstyle. This is a story where every ninja that graduates from Konoha knows how to do the Transformation Jutsu.

But it's there.

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xix. Incomplete/inconsistent comparison

Occurs when someone makes a comparison but it’s incomplete to be valid, either by lack of information or when the method of comparison is inconsistent.

Example: “Tobi and Obito are both Uchiha and have spiky hair, so they’re one and the same”

Shadowblade · 10-30-2011, 01:27 AM

Thanks Numinous. One problem though, how will the dumb asses interpret?

kael03 · 10-30-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowblade

Thanks Numinous. One problem though, how will the dumb asses interpret?

"lolfags!!!!111one!" or "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!11"

Numinous · 11-03-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kael03

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Originally Posted by Shadowblade

Thanks Numinous. One problem though, how will the dumb asses interpret?

"lolfags!!!!111one!" or "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!11"

Unfortunately, they don't even read, much less interpret.

And yes, it's a shameless bump before this goes to page 2.

**Miburo** · 11-04-2011, 02:21 AM

I like logic and hate stupid shit. So I approve of this thread. Stuck. Fuck yeah.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 11-04-2011, 02:56 PM

Gee, ur dictating whats Logical and whats not. Im not surprised...

Problem though.. I skimmed through and found this and couldnt help but notice u wrote some good examples of correct logic. However, then u went and presented something I said as Illogical by putting examples that don't even pertain to my original Idea, only the first example.

Here...

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One would think people would be wiser to avoid such a silly fallacy, but some just seem to love it. Here’s an example:

A Rinnegan user was dubbed the 7th Path
The 7th Realm is a step to reach Buddhahood
Therefore, Rinnegan users can reach Buddhahood

firts example is canon based:
1. The manga states that the RG user (nagato, madara) is the 7th path/pain/realm with the 7th power of Gedo Rinne Tensai.http://www.mangareader.net/93-454-1/...apter-449.html
Thats canon, not some conclusion based on logic or reason.

second example is based off the natural cycle of 10 realms rebirth and is in no way incorrect.http://www.sgi-uk.org/index.php/buddhism/tenworlds
2. "The 7th realm is a step to reach Buddhahood" is true in the beliefs of some Buddhist practices. the 7th realm is on the way to 10 or the 1rst on the way as well with the 4 nobles realms. Its how the realms work. One keeps reaching higher levels until Buddhhood is attained at in the final realm/path/world.

3. RG users can reach buddhahood If, Kishi lets them because its his manga and he can have naruto reach buddahood if he wants because its a fictional story where almost anything can happen.

Whats worse is even without the consideration of kishi having a RG user reach buddahood through the final three paths because its a fictional story and he can do what he wishes.
The Idea is based on logic in the first place.

:The RG wielder is the 7th realm, the first realm of the 4 more noble realms to reaching buddahood.
:the 7th realm is based on,

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+ Learning about life and oneself from others and from existing knowledge.

- Can lead to self-centredness and separation from others. In the Lotus Sutra people of Learning and Realization were taught they could only enter the realm of Buddhahood through faith.

Reaching the next realm to buddahood through faith... the same thing nagato finally had after being self centered and trying to bring pain to the world.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-453-18...apter-448.html
"naruto, I will believe in u". Nagato put faith in naruto which is whats required.

:Kishi is clearly basing his realms off of the Buddhist practice of "10 worlds rebirth" as shown by the RG user, 7th realm nagato attaining his level of 7th realm by putting faith in naruto which then allowed him to use the 7th realms ability (Gedo Rinne Tensai).

:By simple deduction of how kishi writes. Kishi powering up his doujutsu after maxing them out like the SG that has had 3 levels now. And kishi already using the 7th realm which is one of the noble realms and part of the 10 realms of rebirth. Its highly likely that kishi could power up the RG 3 more paths to 10, from 7.

Yea, explain to me how thats illogical... Please, I gotta hear this one.

**Miburo** · 11-04-2011, 06:41 PM

Ugh.

In that example it's not about stating that the premises are illogical. It's stating that the conclusion drawn from the premises doesn't logically follow. So the bulk of your post refutes jack shit, since the premises are assumed to be true in the example anyway. Look:

A = B
C = D
∴A = D

That isn't logical unless B = C, which isn't demonstrated in the premises. Making it a faulty argument. It's illogical because it's a goddamn example of a logical fallacy. Don't be such a goddamn wussbag by taking a example of a logical fallacy personally and then try to prove a logical fallacy to not be illogical like some butthurt retard. That's just stupid, even for you.

Edit: @Num and whoever else- Don't respond to the actual retarded shit in his post, just note that it was an example and he's being a pansy for taking it personally. Because, holy shit. What a dumbass.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 11-05-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Ugh.

In that example it's not about stating that the premises are illogical. It's stating that the conclusion drawn from the premises doesn't logically follow. So the bulk of your post refutes jack shit, since the premises are assumed to be true in the example anyway. Look:

A = B
C = D
∴A = D

That isn't logical unless B = C, which isn't demonstrated in the premises. Making it a faulty argument. It's illogical because it's a goddamn example of a logical fallacy. Don't be such a goddamn wussbag by taking a example of a logical fallacy personally and then try to prove a logical fallacy to not be illogical like some butthurt retard. That's just stupid, even for you.

Edit: @Num and whoever else- Don't respond to the actual retarded shit in his post, just note that it was an example and he's being a pansy for taking it personally. Because, holy shit. What a dumbass.

If u were'nt illiterate u wouldve read enough of my post to know the premises Numi posted were not mine, but his. Thats what numi does!! He posts his idea of ur idea to make it look completely ridiculous.

And although I didn't post my premise in order in my previous post, if u at least read the manga, have an IQ of 16 and read my post then u could see what conclusion I'm drawing has no fallacy.

EDIT: Im gone post again so I can put it in order for ya....

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 11-05-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

If u were'nt illiterate u wouldve read enough of my post to know the premises Numi posted were not mine, but his. Thats what numi does!! He posts his idea of ur idea to make it look completely ridiculous.

And although I didn't post my premise in order in my previous post, if u at least read the manga, have an IQ of 16 and read my post then u could see what conclusion I'm drawing has no fallacy.

EDIT: Im gone post again so I can put it in order for ya....

Here:

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:The RG wielder (nagato) is only the 7th realm.
:Out of the ten realms, Theres still 3 more realms of rebirth kishi can draw upon to develop the RG in another character (madara).
:Kishi could have the RG reach the final 3 realms of ten with madara wielding it(conclusion)

If ya can't somewhat understand that then w/e.....

Numinous · 11-05-2011, 01:00 PM

Wow, KYF, just... wow. You get so butthurt over a damn example? I was not proving or disproving anyone's point, I'm making an example of a logical fallacy, which is universal since logic is universal, so nobody can't dictate it. Not me, not you, NOBODY.

I merely posted what makes logical arguments and translated it to Naruto terms so everyone in this section can comprehend it. Nothing more, nothing less. So, instead of making such a spectacle, why don't you read it properly?

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 11-05-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

Wow, KYF, just... wow. You get so butthurt over a damn example? I was not proving or disproving anyone's point, I'm making an example of a logical fallacy, which is universal since logic is universal, so nobody can't dictate it. Not me, not you, NOBODY.

I merely posted what makes logical arguments and translated it to Naruto terms so everyone in this section can comprehend it. Nothing more, nothing less. So, instead of making such a spectacle, why don't you read it properly?

So u were'nt arguing with me a couple weeks ago about the "ten realms" theory? And u didnt use it as an example as an illogical argument?
Now if u didn't misconstrue the hell out of one of my ideas then post it as an example of fallacy, I wouldn't of said a thing. However, again, u did so don't act like u weren't trying to take a shot at me.

EDIT:Butt hurt? U made this whole thread due to the fact u couldn't disprove red heads aren't uzumaki in origin in some way or another.

10-27-2011, 06:01 PM	#16
xxMESTxx EffYouSeeKay Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Mountains Age: 21 Posts: 908 Thanks: 1,343 Thanked 606 Times in 300 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically ^ It's sad how right you are. Thank you num for this post, just finished reading through. I'll probably read it a few more times so I understand it better. __________________ "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -M. K. Gandhi

10-28-2011, 11:21 AM	#18
Emissary of Justice Resident Smartass Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 443 Thanked 653 Times in 355 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically This thread is missing one major logical fallacy. No idea what you'd prefer to call it, but the idea that Tobi has to be___________ because he looks like that person or has the same hairstyle. This is a story where every ninja that graduates from Konoha knows how to do the Transformation Jutsu. __________________ R.I.P. City of Heroes You will be missed.

10-28-2011, 12:07 PM	#19
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,322 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Learned all of this in grade school, even though I forgot as soon as I went to middle school. Still a refreshing bit of information, thanks Num, eye feelz smarturds alreadie __________________ Check me out on YouTube

10-30-2011, 01:27 AM	#21
Shadowblade Master of Shadows Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Void Posts: 73 Thanks: 104 Thanked 90 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Thanks Numinous. One problem though, how will the dumb asses interpret? __________________ Master of Shadows

11-04-2011, 02:21 AM	#24
Miburo Deos Fortioribus Adesse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 3,543 Thanks: 34,417 Thanked 17,643 Times in 5,442 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically I like logic and hate stupid shit. So I approve of this thread. Stuck. Fuck yeah.

11-04-2011, 06:41 PM	#26
Miburo Deos Fortioribus Adesse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Valhalla Posts: 3,543 Thanks: 34,417 Thanked 17,643 Times in 5,442 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Ugh. In that example it's not about stating that the premises are illogical. It's stating that the conclusion drawn from the premises doesn't logically follow. So the bulk of your post refutes jack shit, since the premises are assumed to be true in the example anyway. Look: A = B C = D ∴A = D That isn't logical unless B = C, which isn't demonstrated in the premises. Making it a faulty argument. It's illogical because it's a goddamn example of a logical fallacy. Don't be such a goddamn wussbag by taking a example of a logical fallacy personally and then try to prove a logical fallacy to not be illogical like some butthurt retard. That's just stupid, even for you. Edit: @Num and whoever else- Don't respond to the actual retarded shit in his post, just note that it was an example and he's being a pansy for taking it personally. Because, holy shit. What a dumbass.

11-05-2011, 01:00 PM	#29
Numinous Writing speed: snail Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 4,899 Thanks: 8,533 Thanked 11,634 Times in 4,012 Posts	Re: Technical Guide to Form Arguments Logically Wow, KYF, just... wow. You get so butthurt over a damn example? I was not proving or disproving anyone's point, I'm making an example of a logical fallacy, which is universal since logic is universal, so nobody can't dictate it. Not me, not you, NOBODY. I merely posted what makes logical arguments and translated it to Naruto terms so everyone in this section can comprehend it. Nothing more, nothing less. So, instead of making such a spectacle, why don't you read it properly? __________________ My writings: Waters of Ocean Darkest Chapters: 1 - 2 Weaver Chapters: 0 - 1- 2 - 3 Björk Season My Top 25 Non-Romantic Songs Last edited by Numinous; 11-05-2011 at 01:22 PM. Reason: typo

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