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Old 11-28-2011, 01:51 AM   #31
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That "Creation of all things a.k.a. Banbutsu sozo" is a fan made name that has become far to prevalent IMO.
Your opinion is wrong. The original kanji reads "Banbutsu sozo" which translates into "Creation of All Things", which Izanagi was then derived from.
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Tobi i think is Nobody but i have a crazy theory that he is a sliver of Jubi's chakra and all of his memories. and the Eye of the Moon plan, is a plan to get his body back.

if you remember Nagato tried to capture Naruto with Chibaku Tensei



i think The Real Sage did the same thing but was successful in being able to separate body and chakra from the jubi.

Then people will be asking why does Tobi have a sharingan and now be able to use the Rinnegan so well?



because the Jubi always had a combo of the two, but now that tobi is in this weakened state he has the basic versions of the two.

Finally Tobi himself said it was to make him perfect



or just back to his old Jubi-self.

i know this is a crazy theory but the jubi has seen it all, he knows the history of the sage and when he was separated he saw the sons of the sage grow and become rivals through time.

tell me what you think and be harsh if you must
reminds me of kingdom hearts heartless and nobody connection



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Your opinion is wrong. The original kanji reads "Banbutsu sozo" which translates into "Creation of All Things", which Izanagi was then derived from.
Just in case the loony doesn't believe you:



Top right panel: "... Izanagi to ha honrai o mae no iu Rikudou Sennin no "Banbutsu Souzou" o ouyou shita jutsu no koto da "

I even color-coded the parts to translate!

"... Izanagi is by nature a jutsu that is an application of the fabled Rikudou Sennin's "Banbutsu Souzou""

You can check the Japanese all you want, Banbutsu Souzou is canon and it was what created the Bijuu.
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:23 AM   #34
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^ im still guessing that the moon's eye plan is only the tip of the iceberg. after gaining control over the world, it would be so easy to reformat planet naruto with "creation of all things", since tsukoyomi is imagination and the RS' banbutsu sozo turns imagination into reality.
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Just in case the loony doesn't believe you:



Top right panel: "... Izanagi to ha honrai o mae no iu Rikudou Sennin no "Banbutsu Souzou" o ouyou shita jutsu no koto da "

I even color-coded the parts to translate!

"... Izanagi is by nature a jutsu that is an application of the fabled Rikudou Sennin's "Banbutsu Souzou""

You can check the Japanese all you want, Banbutsu Souzou is canon and it was what created the Bijuu.
Oh please! I went thought the kanji and all that matched up was "creation" on one panel and "many things" on the next. Japanese can seriously be tricky.....

Everyother translation in every other language says basically the same thing too. Not sure where u got ur kanji interpretations from, but it BS until shown otherwise later in the manga.

All the manga suggest is RS was the user of Izanagi and created many things with it.
the small version used by tobi is Izanagi, RS used Izanagi as the two bloodline perfectly together and with the power of the juubi to assist so it reasonable why RS could use levels of Izanagi that Tobi can't like create bijuu.
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Linguistics, they aren't for lunatics apparently.
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@ HR and Lightning: that's pretty much speculation with no actual foot on the canon. Mind you, 600+ years is the minimum, being at max 3500+ years.

As of now, Tobi=Juubi has absolutely no logical lead and it's only based on speculation. I think those defending the theory should await on more information on the Juubi itself, like if it's even sentient to begin with.
Yea know it's just speculation I was just trying to argue some reasons as to how the theory might work.. I havent had a decent discussion on here about anything in a while.. even with all the good shit going on I havent found anything worthy to debateso just look over me playin devils advokate
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Linguistics, they aren't for lunatics apparently.
I do like how the idiot's argument for Banbutsu Sozo not being in the manga by pointing out that it's in the manga.
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Re: Tobi is Nobody but he is something

@ kael: Yeah, it can't be more obvious than this. The only way the bar can be raised from here is asking Kishimoto himself and if I was in Kishi's shoes I'd say "didn't you read the manga?"
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@ kael: Yeah, it can't be more obvious than this. The only way the bar can be raised from here is asking Kishimoto himself and if I was in Kishi's shoes I'd say "didn't you read the manga?"
You know if that were to happen KYF's answer would be "Can't you read? It says right here that *insert random ass bullshit that makes no god damned sense to the manga and isn't relevant to the page itself*! That means that *insert some other random ass bullshit that has nothing to do with the evidence presented*! It's so obvious!"

Japan would then lose some Jump stock as Kishi kills himself in despair for humanity.
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I think Kishi would call the security before doing something drastic.

That said, I don't see Kishi even answering such question. He's always very vague about the manga and even he doesn't seem to know what he's doing sometimes (Kakashi Year, anyone?), so I doubt he'd give a concrete answer even if asked directly.
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well year isnt over i think kakashi before this war is over will validate his election for hokage
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well year isnt over i think kakashi before this war is over will validate his election for hokage
You do realize there's only (at max) 5 chapters until the next year that'll probably be spent on Tobi vs Naruto and/or Madara vs Gokage, right?

And I have a suspicion that chapter 568/9 will reveal Tobi's face, since it's the last chapter of the year.

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Linguistics, they aren't for lunatics apparently.
Where are u getting ur kanji translations from because I checked three different sites and couldn't match up "Banbutsu souzou" in that single panel.

All that matched was "creation" in that panel and "many things" in the next one. Again, not sure. I just want kishi elaborate to end this translation arguments about this BS because japanese is too difficult and a single kanji can mean 10 different things and the same thing can be 10 different kanji. U understand my lack of faith in just one single translation with only one mention because of this, I hope....
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Those Boundaries are what they tend to accept as "Reality".....
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I hate myself for being so damn curious, but...

What sites are you using, KYF? Perhaps I can spot where the problem is with your translation sites, because the sites I use for translations, be them quick or elaborate, point out "Creation of all Things" or some variation of the words in that panel.
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