Miburo

YES! Here are my favorite parts:

Might be the only thing he was actually correct in saying.

Oh, probabilities.

But this part was the best:

He's like a retarded man-child version of Tyler Durden.

almightywood

You guys are really something else.

I have never met another group of people that were so quick to claim something proved wrong without ever addressing the actual points that were brought up, and instead just resorting to childish trickery and applying terms and designations that have no bearing whatsoever on the makeup of the discussion you are frivolously tearing apart.

You can go ahead and claim it's just me since you all think the same, but I have been around the block more than once, and this group here is the first one I have ever encountered that had even ONE person insist upon some of the stupid shit you all pull out as the straight dope.

Whatever, you all can enjoy your little community, I will not be returning to these forums again as there is no point in even attempting to have a discussion with you all.

xxMESTxx

Oh, favorites.




I lol'd at everything. Accept for the one with act talking about humans knowing a lot, I just fully agreed with it.

Edit: Oh, and congrats/thanks OH, and Numinous for a while. You were successful in making this forum a slightly less stupid place.

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Miburo

I want to change my favorite parts to this:


Pretty sure this is the debate version of a flawless victory fatality or some shit. Once again, reason and manliness prevails! Well done, comrades.

Axiom

Holy hell, this is some of the most mind numbing shit I ever read. Don’t know how you guys manage to keep up with this gobbledygook. Kudos to you.

Favorite part? Aside from the constant backpedaling and self-contradictions on a near post by post basis(and the subsequent I'm not doing that stuff you just misinterpret my words). It’d probably be this post:

I hitch-hicked around for a couple of years. I was homeless for a long ass time.
I have had many jobs in.. I cannot hold steady employment..... Accounts for the homelessness?
I have spent a couple years in prison, and a couple years in jail I am a criminal.... Accounts for the lack of employment?

Also, I believe the cult part. Because that totally explains this:
The utter lack of content and substance in anything posted, is the exact kind of ambiguous, dogmatic, pontification one might expect an aspiring cult leader using to try luring some confused and disenfranchised youth into signing over their trust funds to come to live in his barn or some shit.

Thank you Num.

AMW- Never said I was stupid, or an idiot. What I said was I make mistakes. There’s a big difference. You can be a reasonably smart fellow and still make mistakes. I’m sure any of these other guys are more than willing to admit to making mistakes. A part of becoming more intelligent is to realize a mistake and own up to it. That way it doesn’t happen again. Also it’s pretty fucking manly in my eyes to admit when you are wrong when proven so.

Edit:
Really? This shit again? People act like these other dudes are just straight out to get you and certain other people, just because they are big ol' meanies who like to pick on everyone for fucks sake.

From what I have been seeing since joining seems quite the contrary. Keeping in mind that I myself got hopped on too, in one of my first days on this forum ( actually think it was in the debate section IIRC). For nothing more than doing something stupid. Not for "hey here's a new guy, let's get him". But because of some shenanigans on my part, that they called me on. Rightfully so btw, because if I would have done it in my corner of the tubez. I would have gotten it all the same from internet denizens I have known for over a decade.

There was another instance IRC in one of the hello threads, that was all about why the reds where so mean to the blues or some nonsense. Think I was arguing with Act.. or maybe Mibs. I don’t remember exactly. But I was going on about what I thought was some sort of prejudgment, and why they were so relentless in pressing home the attack on how retarded some members where being.... Now I realise why. Because some people just refuse own up and learn.

Mal

^ Truth. Axiom here was initially thought to be the same type of pseudo-intellectual you (AW) are, but once he stopped being such a n00b we all realized he was just being short-term stupid and is in fact one of the most intelligent members here.



I can't be bothered to go back and quote shit, but my favourite parts of this thread were when AW disproved himself while thinking he was disproving me. I lol'd hard.

Numinous

Awww, I missed AW's rage quit!

About the favorite part, it has to be when he wanted to play the old geezer card on ACt. It had me in stitches from the sheer stupidity of that guy.

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ACt

^ Yeah, nothing like trying to tell the (usually) oldest guy here to grow up and see the world how it truly is.

I'm going to go with Mal successfully getting the guy to argue in a complete circle. Have to think it was one of the easiest rhetoric conversations Mal's ever had. Give him enough rope...

Axiom - yeah, glad you stuck around, honestly. Just call it our personal philosophy that if you cannot back up what you believe, the only true recourse is to submit in the debate. Simple rules - you cannot argue a position you have no support for and if you best brain acrobatics do not convince without facts, you should concede.

Believe me, there probably isn't one person here who hasn't lost one of these. I'm pretty certain Miburo and Mal have done one over me and I know I've had my shit wrecked two or three times by Vanity - those are awesome, she really goes for the throat in like one paragraph. It's hot. So, whatever. I didn't quit because I can take a loss and admit to being wrong.

I fully enjoy this forum for that. Yeah, it's a bit cutthroat and maybe unkind in that way, but so much good can come from having everything challenged agressively - either abandon a faulty premise or push yourself to gain knowledge to support it. That's the definition of the search for knowledge and truth. Shame that AW couldn't realize that we were truly helping him.

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It's amazing to me that, unlike in the real world, people on the internet will wear "everyone thinks I'm a moron" as a badge of honour.

Human Rasengan

I would have to whole heartedly agree.. I'm not good at debating and pretty much everyone here has handed me my ass on a silver platter but it's the quality of the intellect here and the way everyone is cutthroat on these debates that has kept me here.. I see people bitch n whine about going to other forums.. I've been there and the level of discussion is far from up to par.

Sure you could go somewhere where people are gonna pat you on the back n say "it'll be ok but there's something to be said of having a challenge.. even if you loose over and over again you learn from what has transpired and sooner or later you get one in.

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for those of you who don't understand.. I'm coming from an illogical perspective so your logic won't fit my argument .. it'll only give you a headache.. remember ..belief doesn't require a co-signer There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity , I Have Erased This Line ! If I were you I'd hate me too.. I am the HUMAN RASENGAN!!!

The power of despair is great in you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlzx4...&feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qkz4WfOto

LOL I'M DYING BACK HERE

almightywood

Any all encompassing philosophy is circular, how else could it encompass anything? That is just proof that it works, not that it is feeble.

I was never arguing shit, you all were. Just because not one of you gaggle of trolls has the brains to tell the difference between an opinion and a statement of fact, doesn't mean that your view of an intellectual DISCUSSION isn't completely twisted. There is no room for debate or argument about any opinion, unless you are imposing your opinion over others. Something I have never done, and you should probably look into this practice as well.

Funny thing, I couldn't lose to begin with. We were discussing my beliefs which means I could never be wrong when I tell you what I believe: no matter what I believe that.

You were not helping me in the slightest, the only people you were helping all along was yourselves. If you WERE helping me, you would have deigned to have a discussion with me about what my beliefs entail, not tried to tell me that my beliefs are wrong - this is the opposite of help, no matter who it is directed at. I have had more than my share of debates, and have usually won them. I stopped having debates a while ago in favor of discussions since there is no winner, and I'd rather learn more than "be right".

Once you think it's possible that there is a winner in a conversation you or someone else is having with me, you better go reread some shit, because there is no such thing.

In other words I didn't stop posting here because you all "beat me". I stopped posting here because I deemed you all sufficiently un-open-minded as to not be worth having discussions with.

Go ahead and respond again if you want, but I won't be checking up on it.


Oh and Mest, the only way these forums would be less stupid is if you left. You seem to think that being antagonistic is clever. (When it is really much closer to the opposite of that) Because of this, you are actually less intelligent than Kael (something I didn't think possible), I think he actually understands there is a difference between the two, and occasionally manages a comment that falls into the latter category, whereas I have only seen the former from you.

Mal

I'm having difficulty even remembering what we were talking about, but I seem to recall you trying to force on us your opinion that logically and reasonably disputing someone's core belief is an attack on their character.


What I don't remember is where the difference between fact and opinion came into the discussion. I'm going to assume it never did because I am certain I would remember something like that, given the bullshit I imagine you would say. Probably something along the lines of "if I believe hard enough and base my life around that belief, then my idea that Jews aren't people will become fact."

As for you not being able to be wrong, you are correct in the very narrow way you chose to word your statement. You cannot be wrong about what you believe, but what you believe can be wrong.

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Your problem is that you have really stupid ideas, and we merely tried to help you realize that.

Discussions are for pussies. If you can't defend your beliefs in debate, then accept that there is no logical reason to hold them.

kael03

Hypocrite much?

ask me anything

LOL. Kid just pwned himself.

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Numinous

Bullshit. Disregarding the fact that claiming to have a philosophy that encompasses all is ridiculous by itself, any philosophy worth its salt isn't circular. Philosophies branch and have some branches that intersect, but don't form any circularity (for example, both Law of Minimal Effort and Occam's Razor appeal to simplicity and complement each other, but they do not form circular reasoning).

Bullshit. Any circular reasoning is feeble by nature, because they're the logical equivalent of what perpetual motion is to physics: a paradox.

Like you can't create new energy and every process has an associated loss of energy, therefore dooming perpetual motion to eventually stop, you can't add/substitute arguments in the reasoning for better ones in fear of losing the circularity and you'll always have the chance of having one or more weak/fallacious arguments, so in the end you'll have something that stops making sense even if it was designed to always be right.

Bullshit. Stop using the colloquial term when everybody else is using the academic one. You're not a lil' special snow flake to use a different meaning to justify your pussiness.

Bullshit. You're the one with a twisted view of intellectual discussions. Being politically correct is completely OPTIONAL when it comes to discussions/debates, discussions are all about fact(oid)s and backing them up/refuting them. It does not matter if you don't like the responses you get, as long as they're valid they're fair play.

For the beginning of this thread, you presented factoids and we refuted them, then you (poorly) backed them up and we refuted them further. That's how discussions work, positive statements are matched against negative to determine which side of the statement is the most valid, so we can learn from such statements and evolve our knowledge.

Bullshit. Beliefs can be wrong: many people believed that the Earth was flat and it was the center of the universe. Many others believed in spontaneous generations and that diseases were caused by demons, among others. But logic/science allowed humanity to deem such beliefs as wrong and to move on in search of the truth. If we don't challenge our beliefs to see how weak/strong they are, we cannot grow as human beings.

Bullshit. If you deny yourself the chance of admitting your mistakes, someone has to say why you should do so. One of the best learning tools humanity has is learning by erring, because it grants the knowledge of how things do not work and by proxy increasing the knowledge of what actually works without resorting to the same/further mistakes.

Bullshit. Did your teachers help you through your education by giving relief to your beliefs or by improving them, changing them for the better? The latter, wasn't it? Exact same deal here, we're not here to pat you on the back and say your beliefs are completely reasonable, because they're not. They're hipster rubbish designed to make you invincible in your arguments by delusions and dilutions of proper rationality.

You need to realize by yourself how much of an ass you're sounding right now, we're just helping you to such epiphany by the roughest road. Think about it for a second: if you manage to survive and even learn from the coldest of logic, you can survive against any kind of logic or you know, actually win debates, unlike what you say next...

Bullshit. With your kind of argumentation, you actually winning debates is highly contrived, it's much more probable you just kept denying your opponents any chance to win over you. You just jinxed on this forum because people here already know how to curbstomp such argumentation.

Bullshit. Ties in worthwhile debates are scarce because the chances of both sides of the dichotomy of a statement being equally valid are very slim. There's always a side of it that is more valid than the other, because that's how reality works. So, in debates, the most valid side wins, simple as that. Saying that nobody wins is exactly the kind of pussy PC I despise, because that's denying both sides their earned rights (of being right or wrong).

If you want to comfort the losers, say that they should learn from their defeat and/or that they should learn from who won. You know, actually growing a pair instead of indoctrinating their wrongness as valid.

Also, you want to learn more than "being right"? Your whole shtick is making sure you're always right at all times, stop trying to fool people when you clearly can't.

Bullshit. Or is it irony for the closed-minded retort? Or perhaps hypocrisy, since you said you wouldn't come back and you came anyway? Most probably all of them.

Bullshit. You said that before and didn't fulfill it, what guarantees are you giving us that the same won't happen again?

Bullshit. AMA already indicated why.
Bullshit. Being antagonistic is independent of cleverness, but to make the assertion you just made, now that is indeed closer to the opposite of cleverness.

Bullshit. You'd give up both gonads to be as intelligent as Kael if you actually cared about being intelligent.

Bullshit. Mest isn't that strong of a debater (sorry, but it's true), but he's capable of creating clever arguments, something that nobody with proper argumentation can say about you.

If I'm wrong, prove me so. Until then, grow a brain.

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Miburo

Thought he wasn't going to come here anymore. Stupid and not a man of his word. What a pansy. Har har!